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  • sharp9
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 2508

    It's Over

    The 2005 Premiership team that is. Last night was the official demonstration that our players don't have what it takes (physically or mentally it's hard to tell) to repeat last year's effort.

    The ability is still there as demontrated by the fact that we have only played 3 out of the last 12 quarters, yet have only been outscored by 10 points or so in that time.

    We simply cannot play for 120 minutes a game and the result is three teams in a row jogging down the field with acres of space and a myriad of free options to kick to, as well as only having to compete 50/50 in their back half as any spillage cannot be picked up by non-existent Swans.

    This team cannot get numbers to the ball anymore. End of the line for this team.

    Unfortunately if we are to win the premiership this year it will have to be with a different team than the one which played rounds 1-4 and rounds 10-12.

    Obviously Richards, Chambers and Mathews are not up to it. Beyond that it gets more difficult. Nearly all the other players suffered from either not getting the ball, or getting the ball and being crap with it.

    Exemptions Barry Hall and Craig Bolton.

    O'Keefe and O'Loughlin got the ball and couldn't kick straight.

    Schneider, Buchanan, Davis and Goodes played well with the ball in hand but hardly had any of it.

    Fosdike, Ablett, and McVeigh got plenty of ball but coughed it up over and over and over again.

    Ablett was appalling, Fosdike was simply shocking - their disposal was Mathewsesque. Mcveigh had brain fades like doing a fabulous spoil......by palming to his own opponent to stroll in to an open goal.

    LRT, Kennelly, Barry, Kirk, J. Bolton, Williams, Jolly and Crouch were simply pantsed by much better opponents. That's the most scary sentence of all because it indicates that all is lost for the era if that continues. That's 8 of our ten most important players.

    So, in conclusion, it's almost impossible to see how we can get back into the top four. Commentators often trot out the cliches like "this Sydney style of game must take a lot out of the players...." but, unfortunately it would seem that that cliche is true. We cannot compete against top teams without 100% intensity and concentration. At the moment our stars don't have the petrol to give that.

    Now we simply have to play half a dozen youngsters with a handfull of games between them and no premiership side has ever had that sort of reshuffle mid-season.

    Not to say it can't be done...but our odds should by rights be out to 30-1 at the moment.
    "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005
  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16786

    #2
    Try watching a tape of essentially the same players looking completely inept against St Kilda midway through last year. Few had them pegged as potential premiers then.

    I am not saying that this team can or will recapture the form that led them to win last season. I am not trying to defend the appallingly low skill level we witnessed last night.

    However, apart from containing some factual inaccuracies, I think you post is a bit of an over-reaction.

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    • sharp9
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 2508

      #3
      Originally posted by liz
      I am not saying that this team can or will recapture the form that led them to win last season. I am not trying to defend the appallingly low skill level we witnessed last night.
      Riiiiight....so you agree with my analysis - you're just not prepared to actually have any opinion or judgement. I am the one who catalogued EVERY error in that game last year and then outlined exactly what would have to happen if we were to improve. What exactly what did happen. The only caveat being that Mathews was disgraceful in that match and has continued to be disgraceful in evey second match he plays (or thereabouts).

      So when I suggest that that sort of turnaround will not happen this year, then I think it's an opinion that is reasonably valid and takes all the facts into consideration.

      Why don't you present an opinion of your own rather than merely shooting down those who actually have something to offer?
      "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16786

        #4
        Originally posted by sharp9
        Riiiiight....so you agree with my analysis - you're just not Why don't you present an opinion of your own rather than merely shooting down those who actually have something to offer?
        If you think my post was "shooting you down" I suggest you develop a thicker skin. I merely stated that I thought it was over the top in predicting absolute doom and gloom for the rest of the year.

        There are numerous other threads discussing aspects of the game and you will find my comments on the game in those.

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        • CureTheSane
          Carpe Noctem
          • Jan 2003
          • 5032

          #5
          For me, I would say that the Swans have appeared very one dimensional over the last two weeks.

          In the wet what we needed to do was change our style of play.
          Last night, the Wobbles had our game plan down pat and played very well against it.

          On both occasions, what was required was the Swans to try something different, and I say again, as I did after last weeks game, that Roos is committed to our style of play and game plan and is willing to conceed the odd game in order to perfect it.

          I don't know whether this is a good or bad thing yet.
          Hopefully we will consolidate the way we play and become tighter and more savvy with it and it will take us to another flag.
          The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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          • bloodboy
            Mmmmm...Donuts
            • Jul 2003
            • 352

            #6
            I think saying that it is over is going a bit over the top. I have seen this side play some awesome football this year and if we make the finals you never know what can happen...most of the boys have been there and done it before. I think your analysis of the past two weeks is spot on, but your prediciton is very premature.
            Go you mighty BLOODBOYS!

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            • Zlatorog
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2006
              • 1748

              #7
              For me they appear to be a bunch of primadonnas who are screaming for respect but don't get any. Roos should send some of those primadonnas to play with reserves a little bit and feel what really looks like playing in a dirt.

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              • CureTheSane
                Carpe Noctem
                • Jan 2003
                • 5032

                #8
                On the point that it's "over" I would have to say that I forgot to address that purely because it's such a stupid statement to make.

                Firstly, all you have to do is make the finals to have a chance at the flag.

                Secondly, form luctuates and I would rather be in top form going into the finals than now.
                The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                • cruiser
                  What the frack!
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 6114

                  #9
                  Today I am feeling like our season wont be going too far in September. I cannot see us beating West Coast and Adelaide. We will be making up the numbers in the 8. But I'm having a big footy downer today so I may change my emotionally tainted view in a few days time. That's what supporting a footy team passionately does to you.
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                  • goswannie14
                    Leadership Group
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 11166

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cruiser
                    Today I am feeling like our season wont be going too far in September. I cannot see us beating West Coast and Adelaide. We will be making up the numbers in the 8. But I'm having a big footy downer today so I may change my emotionally tainted view in a few days time. That's what supporting a footy team passionately does to you.
                    You only have to look at my posts last night for me to say "I feel your pain brother!"
                    Does God believe in Atheists?

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                    • cruiser
                      What the frack!
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 6114

                      #11
                      Originally posted by goswannie14
                      You only have to look at my posts last night for me to say "I feel your pain brother!"
                      This is the first I've logged on since the game. I've avoided RWO til now and havent read the match thread yet but I think I know what I'm going to read. I'm angry about last nights inept performance.
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                      I don't eat animals since discovering this ability. I used to. But one day the lamb I was eating came through to me and ever since then I haven't been able to eat meat.
                      - animal psychic Amanda de Warren

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                      • sydneyswans1989
                        bleeding red and white
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 384

                        #12
                        Paul Roos has metioned that a few new faces will be seen against freo next week ( the selection panel has woken up FINALLY) so im assuming vogels,moore or schmidt might be given the green light. Doyle needs to be given a run too.
                        Forget about Hall, it's all about Bradshaw

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                        • Jeffers1984
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 4564

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sydneyswans1989
                          Paul Roos has metioned that a few new faces will be seen against freo next week ( the selection panel has woken up FINALLY) so im assuming vogels,moore or schmidt might be given the green light. Doyle needs to be given a run too.
                          Believe it when i see it on Thursday night.
                          Official Driver Of The "Who Gives A @@@@ As The Player Will Get Delisted Anyway" Bandwagon.

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                          • OldE

                            #14
                            Originally posted by sydneyswans1989
                            so im assuming vogels,moore or schmidt might be given the green light.
                            Make that an "and" and I might be happy.

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                            • Tuesday
                              On the Rookie List
                              • May 2005
                              • 890

                              #15
                              Until such time as the Swans install Goodes as captain; they drop Hall, MO'L, Mathews and Richards; and bring in Vogels, Schmidt, Moore and Dempster, then you are fine to whinge about the state of affairs at the club.
                              And you can't find nothing at all,
                              If there was nothing there all along.

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