Paul Roos - trend setter?

[ROK Lobster]

People are starting to notice. Professional sport is BORING!

[Rizzo]

I think the holding the ball rule hurts the Swans style of play more than a lot of other teams.

[floppinab]

I went to a sportmens night on the Friday before the magpies game and has a fantastic evening with Doug Hawkins and Peter Daicos.

Hawkins was a loonatic, as you would expect but listening to Daicos makes you really realise how much the game has changed.

Amongst other things he lamented how much flair has been taken out of the game, not only at the highest level, but more frighteningly at junior levels as well. He mentioned that the Pies have tried to get him involved in coaching. He said he lasted two weeks with training being such a choreographed borefest that he couldn't stand it. He's not surprised no-one else has asked because the way he played has been more or less outlawed by coaches across the land. He's having more fun coaching his kids and encouraging them to do what he did, and have a bit of fun on the footy field, but even at that level none of the Daicos brand of flair is being encouraged.

[swantastic]

Re: Paul Roos - trend setter?

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
People are starting to notice. Professional sport is BORING!

Simple dont watch it.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by floppinab
I went to a sportmens night on the Friday before the magpies game and has a fantastic evening with Doug Hawkins and Peter Daicos.

Hawkins was a loonatic, as you would expect but listening to Daicos makes you really realise how much the game has changed.

Amongst other things he lamented how much flair has been taken out of the game, not only at the highest level, but more frighteningly at junior levels as well. He mentioned that the Pies have tried to get him involved in coaching. He said he lasted two weeks with training being such a choreographed borefest that he couldn't stand it. He's not surprised no-one else has asked because the way he played has been more or less outlawed by coaches across the land. He's having more fun coaching his kids and encouraging them to do what he did, and have a bit of fun on the footy field, but even at that level none of the Daicos brand of flair is being encouraged.

Pretty sad really.

I used to occasionally go to watch Geelong play, just to see Ablett in full flight.

[Boodnutz]

Re: Paul Roos - trend setter?

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
People are starting to notice. Professional sport is BORING!

Bear in mind that Tim Lane is still hurting over the fact that no Victorian team has won the flag since 2000. I can't stand his pro-Melbourne bias in calling games, but I have to agree with him on this.

There is a couple of points that need to be considered. The first is that every sport goes through refinement. Soccer(or football) is now refined to the point of being a chess game with humans. Aussie Rules is being refined more quickly than ever. Those who were at the SCG on Saturday night must have seen how flooding as moved on. It's no longer a front half/back half flood. There's now right side and left side flooding (where if you drew a line between both goals all players were on one side and empty on the other). Even quarter ground flooding where no-one was in the other 3/4 of the ground.

It's a mess. Team announcements on a Thursday night should just show a listing from 1 to 22. Don't insult us with putting them into positions - there aren't any.

The second is that we all want success at any price - ANY PRICE. we demand it. Footy, life, work, whatever. And we all turn a blind eye to how it is acheived. Professional sport is boring - dead boring. Ever watched tennis when there isn't an Aussie to cheer on?? Port v Melb? zzzzzzzzz North v Essendon zzzzzz leave me out of it.

I miss grey rainy days on a windy terrace watching local footy with a hot pie and a cold beer. And yes, there were punch-ups in the crowd, and there weren't sanitised "family days" and PR people running the club. But it was raw fun, and I felt some link with the players going around out there.

I'm bored, and the Swans success of recent times have hidden the truth of that. Yes, I was there for "the big one" last year and probably will be again if they get there. But you're right ROK, it's all as boring as @@@@@@@.

[ROK Lobster]

Re: Re: Paul Roos - trend setter?

Originally posted by swantastic
Simple dont watch it.

It's happening more and more.

As for junior sport, my limited experience is similar. Kids as young as 6 are being drilled with routine. @@@@ing primary school teachers with clipboards, witch's hat and skills manuals are destroying sport. You can't coach junior sport without a @@@@ing certificate these days. Let kids play for-@@@@'s-sake. It's supposed to be a game, not an extension of school...

[satchmopugdog]

Re: Re: Re: Paul Roos - trend setter?

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
It's happening more and more.

As for junior sport, my limited experience is similar. Kids as young as 6 are being drilled with routine. @@@@ing primary school teachers with clipboards, witch's hat and skills manuals are destroying sport. You can't coach junior sport without a @@@@ing certificate these days. Let kids play for-@@@@'s-sake. It's supposed to be a game, not an extension of school...

Plus a police check and a good character check and if you are a malle coaching girls netball you have to have an adult female present. at training at all times.

[Boodnutz]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Paul Roos - trend setter?

Originally posted by satchmopugdog
Plus a police check and a good character check and if you are a malle coaching girls netball you have to have an adult female present. at training at all times.

If you're in Ulverstone, you'd know how good the NWFU/NTFA/TFL leagues used to be. I don't necessarily mean good from a quality of football point of view (there were some good players though) but good from a regional rivalry/team involvement aspect. Clubs represented their area. And the NWFU v NTFA v TFL games were crackers. I'm not naive enough to pretend that those things can stay the same, but the heart and soul has been taken out. We've let it be taken out.

[satchmopugdog]

I can remember those days. One match stays in my memory as there was a lot of hype about a young player for the TFL against the NTFA at York Park. A 17 year old Peter Hudson lined up a goal in front of me at the bike track end and flat punted it through.

[swantastic]

Re: Re: Re: Paul Roos - trend setter?

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
It's happening more and more.

As for junior sport, my limited experience is similar. Kids as young as 6 are being drilled with routine. @@@@ing primary school teachers with clipboards, witch's hat and skills manuals are destroying sport. You can't coach junior sport without a @@@@ing certificate these days. Let kids play for-@@@@'s-sake. It's supposed to be a game, not an extension of school...

But you have to drill things into kids/people some times for it to sink in.If it is" just a game "why do we on RWO get so critical of players and teams when they stuff up or lose,because it is not just a game to have fun we play to win.We have to listen to our coach,how would the swans look if there were 22 individuals out there insted of one team doing what the coach has told them to do.Thats why we have rules and regulations.

[SimonH]

1. You can't unscramble an egg. You can't have the Daicos era of 'more individual flair and looser team structure' without no national comp, less TV and other media coverage, semi-professional players many of whom have to hold down another job to survive and just train in the evenings twice a week, etc. Obviously the way I've described it, puts arse-up chronologically how it happened. But for every sport in the world, as it gets more organised and richer, it gets more professional. This means better paid, better trained, better researched, more tactical, and decisions being made on hard evidence rather than 'I reckon this seems about right, eh Blocker?'

2. Beliefs about junior coaching, like so many other things, go in cycles. Either late-period Eade or early-period Roos (I forget which) said "Kids who get drafted today come to the club and no-one's taught them how to kick". Either junior coaches are being too prescriptive, or not prescriptive enough, depending on which day of the week it is. Fact is, if you go and watch any local U/10's game at the end of your street, it'll probably continue to be the same 'moving melee where you could throw a blanket over 30 kids' that it's always been.

3. The AFL isn't the be-all and end-all of Aussie rules in the country. If people aren't satisfied with what they see, and in particular if they hanker for footy "the way it was before", then at least in Vic, WA and SA, if they go and see their local leagues, they're good enough quality to make it worth their time. These are increasingly marketed as "tough, man-on-man, local footy", i.e. to appeal to those who think modern AFL is too theory-driven and dull. This ploy is fairly predictable (and their crowds, while not to be sneezed at, are still only about 5% of AFL crowds).

What is perhaps more interesting is that there's a good chance there will increasingly be a number of very talented, but not Riewoldt/Judd level elite, footballers, who love playing the game but don't want to commit to living it every second of their life, and don't want to play a cog-in-the-machine game that fits someone else's grand tactical plans. They would rather enjoy playing footy part-time, than find it a chore and play it full time. These players will play at VFL/SANFL/WAFL level. If this theory is right, the standard of these comps should slowly improve as time goes on.

[Piobaireachd]

Originally posted by SimonH
1. You can't unscramble an egg.

But you can cook a scrambled egg and eat it