Pick Nick! (aka the new mega merged ND thread)

[swannieserin]

Okay, the time has come.

If we want to beat Essendon we need Nick Davis. Grundy was shut down big time tonight, Micky O couldn't kick his 400th in 2 hours and about 10 attempts, and Barry Hall ... well lets not get into that.

We need Nick. We need his creative goal kicking. We need his leads in the F50, and his movement through the midfield. We need to distract Essendon by having a lot of forward options.

PICK NICK!!!!

Kudos to Sanecow for the term 'pick nick'

[Missy]

Were they screaming "Nick would've kicked it" at AAMI tonight?

Roos will just say "We won...we're going in with the same team"-team of the BLOODS

[swannieserin]

Originally posted by Missy

Roos will just say "We won...we're going in with the same team"-team of the BLOODS

A team unBLOODylikely to kick a goal!

[robbieando]

Re: Pick Nick!

Originally posted by swannieserin
Okay, the time has come.

If we want to beat Essendon we need Nick Davis.

While I agree Nick should be in the side, I don't agree it should but not on the false idea that we "need" him so we can beat Essendon of all teams and because he is a better kick at goal. Yes, over his career he has been a deadly shot at goal but this year he has been anything but and because of that I would not pick him this week in the senior purely for the fact he is a "good kick for goal". Of course his time out of the senior might of been the kick up the rear end that he needed and he becomes the deadeye@@@@ in front of goal once again. But I'm not going to pick a player "in hope" of that happening

I would however support your "campaign" more if you said something along the lines of "I think we should drop Simon Phillps for Nick Davis because Phillips, while showing he has talent is clearly too small for AFL football at this time and we would be better off with someone who has the body to match it with most of the opposition players". To me that give Roosy a perfect reason to select Nick, because tonight and most of the time Phillips has been in the side, he has gone to lay a tackle and just been swatted away with ease. At least with Nick he can tackle.

Yes, the most of the forwards are missing shots at goal (Mick being the classic example, his miss tonight and the one against Adelaide, both being unforgivable) but so is Nick if you have bothered to look at Nick's stats this year. If you had you would know that he has kicked 18 Goals and 16 Behinds that's just about 50/50. Hardly the deadeye@@@@ you and everyone is making him out to be.

To compare Hall so far this year is 53 Goals 29 Behinds (Somewhere around that mark), Mick is 25 Goals and 24 Behinds (Just under 50/50, like Nick) and Ryan O'Keefe is 19 Goals and 15 Behinds. So Davis is missing shots at goal like the rest of our forwards. Bringing him in isn't going to be the magic answer that you want it to be. It might help a little bit, but it won't be the cure to our ills in front of goal because we were kicking pooring in front of goal before we dropped him and it has made no difference with him out of the team.

[bandwagon]

According to prowess stats Nick is 18.16 with 5 misses = 46% accuracy.

Guess we would be picking on reputation and not form....

[stellation]

Re: Re: Pick Nick!

Hopefully he will be brought back in now, Grundy and Phillips combined for a total of 7 disposals, 1 mark, 2 tackles and 0 scoring shots; in Nick's last game prior to being dropped for poor form he had 9 disposals, 7 marks, 1 tackle and 2 scoring shots (1.1).

[stellation]

Originally posted by bandwagon
According to prowess stats Nick is 18.16 with 5 misses = 46% accuracy.

Guess we would be picking on reputation and not form....

But does it show the difficulty of the scoring opportunities? Whilst I will admit his radar has been a bit off, a lot of those shots are coming from pockets or 50+ metres- quite a few of Mick's misses (for example) have been from pretty simple spots.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by bandwagon
According to prowess stats Nick is 18.16 with 5 misses = 46% accuracy.

O'Keefe also 46% and O'Loughlin 49%.

Davis takes more shots out near 50m than any other player in the Swans.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
O'Keefe also 46% and O'Loughlin 49%.

Does that take into account O'Keefes oof shots as well?

Davis takes more shots out near 50m than any other player in the Swans.

As he should, when you can kick like that.

[ROK Lobster]

Re: Re: Pick Nick!

Originally posted by robbieando

To compare Hall so far this year is 53 Goals 29 Behinds (Somewhere around that mark), Mick is 25 Goals and 24 Behinds (Just under 50/50, like Nick) and Ryan O'Keefe is 19 Goals and 15 Behinds. So Davis is missing shots at goal like the rest of our forwards.

As others have said, many of Davis' points have been kicked from 50 or beyond, and rarely in front. I reckon MOL has kicked 0.0 from outside 30. I reckon Davis' conversion rate from inside 30 would be close to 100%, especially from set shots.

MOL has the yips someything terrible and is likely to become a liability at this end of the season.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by goswannie14
Does that take into account O'Keefes oof shots as well?

Yes.

As he should, when you can kick like that.

Yes, but you can't, and shouldn't, expect the same accuracy from someone kicking 50m out to someone kicking 30m out.

[dendol]

Re: Re: Re: Pick Nick!

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
MOL has the yips someything terrible and is likely to become a liability at this end of the season.

He's had the yips on and off for years. Its come to everyone's attention moreso now because his set shot kicking fell apart in the grandfinal. It's clear that pressure situations really get to him.

[ROK Lobster]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pick Nick!

Originally posted by dendol
He's had the yips on and off for years. Its come to everyone's attention moreso now because his set shot kicking fell apart in the grandfinal. It's clear that pressure situations really get to him.

I think it is here to stay now. I have never thought him a good kick under pressure. I just don't think he is a good kick for goal at all anymore. He has been decidely dodgey all season. This 400 goal thing seems to be worrying him now. I wonder if a bag of 10 in the ressies could resurrect his confidence. I only wonder, I am not an advocate of dropping MOL generally.

[Zlatorog]

I think we should stop talking about pros and cons of picking up Nick and settle about what the real issues are. It is very simply really. I don't think Nick was dropped for his lack of match fitness but his work etics. Like MOL, Nick is compesating his lack of hard work during training with his talent. I would put both into the same basket. The only difference is that MOL has more credibility as a player (for whatever reasons he's excused from a hard training on the track) and other players respect him. That explains why MOL wants Nick back, because he understands him better than others.
Nick will be back not because his fitness will have improved, but because he will have realised taht the team is more important than his personal glory.

[Finn]

Best get the new t-shirts organised with the new slogan