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  • Schneiderman
    The Fourth Captain
    • Aug 2004
    • 1615

    #31
    Jude Bolton.

    This year he is AA IMO, and without him we would struggle to get so much of the ball.

    Next is Goodes, but only because he has such a massive positive impact on the team when he does something/s brilliant in a game.
    Our Greatest Moment:

    Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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    • The Big Cat
      On the veteran's list
      • Apr 2006
      • 2360

      #32
      Nick Davis as he takes the heat off any other players' performances!
      Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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      • Plugger46
        Senior Player
        • Apr 2003
        • 3674

        #33
        Originally posted by swantastic
        IMHO the most important players are in no order.......
        Rok,LRT,B1,B2,Goodes,Bucky,Jolly, Fosdike and Noggy
        You think ALL of them are more important than Hall?

        Turn it up.
        Bloods

        "Lockett is the best of all time" - Robert Harvey, Darrel Baldock, Nathan Burke, Kevin Bartlett, Bob Skilton

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        • goswannie14
          Leadership Group
          • Sep 2005
          • 11166

          #34
          In no particular order Hall, Goodes, Ablett, Jolly and B2.
          Does God believe in Atheists?

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          • Plugger46
            Senior Player
            • Apr 2003
            • 3674

            #35
            Ablett has to be the most overrated player on here.
            Bloods

            "Lockett is the best of all time" - Robert Harvey, Darrel Baldock, Nathan Burke, Kevin Bartlett, Bob Skilton

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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #36
              Originally posted by Plugger46
              Ablett has to be the most overrated player on here.
              Absolutely. I can't believe people keep mentioning him in the top half dozen.

              Before Ablett I would put (in no particular order);

              Goodes
              Hall
              O'Keefe
              Jolly
              C Bolton
              J Bolton
              Kirk
              Kennelly
              Buchanan
              Barry
              LRT
              Fosdike
              O'Loughlin

              If Crouch wasn't injured, him too.

              Once Davis gets back to form, him too.

              Schneider and McVeigh on a par.

              Malceski will be past him by next year.

              Grundy within a couple of years.
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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              • tawfiq
                hard ball getter
                • Aug 2006
                • 103

                #37
                ablett isnt overrated, wont say he is a gun, but he is pretty good, especially given the roles that Roos gives him every week ,he may be no hall or goodes and he doesnt have class, but he is a blue collar midfielder, which is what our midfield once was ( after the premiership, we have developed some sense of class, not good to be too arrogant)

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                • swantastic
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 7275

                  #38
                  Rok,LRT,B1,B2,Goodes,Bucky,Jolly, Fosdike and Noggy.


                  To all the opinonated people out there the players that i have chosen are just that IMO and i am only basing that on the performance over the last couple of weeks.Most likey myopinion will change in the next couple but i think that the players i said are the core of our team ATM .
                  Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                  • goswannie14
                    Leadership Group
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 11166

                    #39
                    Originally posted by NMWBloods
                    Absolutely. I can't believe people keep mentioning him in the top half dozen.

                    Before Ablett I would put (in no particular order);

                    Goodes
                    Hall
                    O'Keefe
                    Jolly
                    C Bolton
                    J Bolton
                    Kirk
                    Kennelly
                    Buchanan
                    Barry
                    LRT
                    Fosdike
                    O'Loughlin

                    If Crouch wasn't injured, him too.

                    Once Davis gets back to form, him too.

                    Schneider and McVeigh on a par.

                    Malceski will be past him by next year.

                    Grundy within a couple of years.
                    I think most people, including myself are rating people on their current form, in which case, rating Grundy in a few years before Ablett now, is not going to help our 2006 finals campaign. In fact looking at the form of many you are rating higher than Ablett at the moment does make for interesting reading.
                    Does God believe in Atheists?

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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #40
                      Originally posted by goswannie14
                      I think most people, including myself are rating people on their current form, in which case, rating Grundy in a few years before Ablett now, is not going to help our 2006 finals campaign. In fact looking at the form of many you are rating higher than Ablett at the moment does make for interesting reading.
                      No, I didn't rate Grundy above Ablett and specifically mentioned that I think will in a few years.

                      I listed the ones I think are important now.

                      Ablett might have produced some of his best games, and even managed a couple of very good ones, but he's hardly at a point where he is indispensible. People rave about games when he gets 12 possessions, most of which are not particularly threatening or effective, while his opponent gets 20 possessions.

                      He has a low benchmark compared to some...
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • Sanecow
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 6917

                        #41
                        Credit to him, Ablett is the main reason Jolly gets so many hitouts.

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                        • AnnieH
                          RWOs Black Sheep
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 11332

                          #42
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          Pfft - Ablett!!
                          Double Pfft.
                          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                          • AnnieH
                            RWOs Black Sheep
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 11332

                            #43
                            Originally posted by NMWBloods
                            Ablett might have produced some of his best games, and even managed a couple of very good ones, but he's hardly at a point where he is indispensible. People rave about games when he gets 12 possessions, most of which are not particularly threatening or effective, while his opponent gets 20 possessions.

                            He has a low benchmark compared to some...
                            Right on Bro.

                            IN MY OPINION ...

                            Ablett's been low on my player list for ages now.
                            Yes, he contests the ball.
                            Yes, he'll jump into a tackling pack.
                            Yes, he'll pick the ball out of a crumbling pack and kick it forward.

                            BUT ... his "accurate disposal" rates I'm sure are dismal. (I don't have the exact numbers people, I'm basing this on pure observation.)

                            From where I'm sitting, more often than not his disposal of the ball either goes directly to an opposition player, or will be kicked to a massive pack were the opposition invariably takes control of the ball (because IMO we have a problem with roving off hard-ball gets).

                            I know we won the grand final ... but I will NEVER forget that FANTASTIC mark Ablett took on the line and then kicked straight to Cousins in the square. It happened right in front of me. My heart dropped to my toes and stayed there till the final siren.

                            KICK IT TO ME .... KICK IT TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEE

                            As to who we will miss the most ...

                            Adam Goodes. Craig Bolton.
                            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                            • Captain
                              Captain of the Side
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 3602

                              #44
                              Originally posted by NMWBloods
                              No, I didn't rate Grundy above Ablett and specifically mentioned that I think will in a few years.

                              I listed the ones I think are important now.

                              Ablett might have produced some of his best games, and even managed a couple of very good ones, but he's hardly at a point where he is indispensible. People rave about games when he gets 12 possessions, most of which are not particularly threatening or effective, while his opponent gets 20 possessions.

                              He has a low benchmark compared to some...
                              I see a heap of potential in Ablett and hope that he realises it in the next couple of years. He has the ability to become one of the elite midfielders in our team.

                              I think he is at the stage where Fosdike, Kirk, Bolton and a few others were a few years ago. None of these ever seemed to manage more than a handful of possessions but had the obvious talent.

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                              • AnnieH
                                RWOs Black Sheep
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 11332

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Captain
                                I see a heap of potential in Ablett and hope that he realises it in the next couple of years. He has the ability to become one of the elite midfielders in our team.

                                I think he is at the stage where Fosdike, Kirk, Bolton and a few others were a few years ago. None of these ever seemed to manage more than a handful of possessions but had the obvious talent.
                                I'm Ablett's biggest critic.
                                "If Ablett was any good he'd have been picked up by Geelong", has been one of my favourite sayings for two years.
                                You see, Ablett HAS HUGE potential. He has guts and perserverance. Very important in a game of modern day footy.
                                His game over the last month has improved beyond anything I've ever seen. I'm really glad that I've been made to eat my words on a few occasions. I've even given him a standing ovation for a goal or two. If the lad can keep playing like he is (was) now ... sure, he has huge potential to be an elite midfielder.

                                He has an awful lot of work ahead of him to be that elite midfielder.
                                Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                                Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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