Are the Swans a better team than this time last year?

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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16761

    Are the Swans a better team than this time last year?

    General concensus seems to be that the Eagles have improved since last year and will have benefitted from the experience (and hurt) of last year.

    But how about the Swans?

    Over the season as a whole, I'd say that some of the more important players have had slightly worse years than last. Leo and Kirk are two such examples. On the plus side, their form is the first half of the season is meaningless now and both have been gradually improving as the season has worn on.

    This time last year Baz was on fire but he was far from the most important player in steering us to the GF. Indeed, he was pretty close to ineffectual in the QF and SF, before making valuable - but not dominant - contributions in the PF and GF. There were some goodish signs on Sunday afternoon from the big man, after a relatively flat patch for him.

    Goodes is in rare form - not just brilliant but consistently so over a long string of matches. He is clearly in top shape and his confidence must be high. He is also a seasoned campaigner now and there is no reason to think he won't carry his recent form into the finals. He was an important player in last year's finals - especially in the GF - but he didn't dominate.

    In past years our midfield's class level has looked clearly a notch or three down when Willo has been missing. McVeigh and Malceski have gone some way to addressing this. Neither deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Willo in terms of what they have achieved thus far compared to Willo at his flying best, but they can lay valid claim to reducing the "drudge" factor often prevalent in our midfield.

    Ball's absence has had an impact this year, as most expected, but less obviously so in the last month. The form of Jolly plus the amazing ability of Doyle to string four injury free and constructive games together makes the absence of Ball seem far less of an issue than at any other time this year.

    Last year LRT's first quarter of the GF took us by surprise, despite the fact that he'd steadily improved throughout the second half of the season. This year, I suspect a similar performance would barely have us blinking, so far has he come.

    The likes of the Bolton boys, Kennelly, O'Keefe and Buchanan are pretty consistent and their recent form has probably been at a similar level to this time last year. Ablett and Schneider look to be in slightly better touch. Goal kicking aside, O'Loughlin looks in better form than at any time over the past three years.

    Crouch is a loss and one that could bite the team badly. His ability to break the lines through the middle, his toughness, his ability to blanket a small forward or to moderate a mid-sized midfielder is a hard combination to replicate. Without him the team has less defensive flexibility. But hopefully a combination of Schneider and Dempster (a contrasting pair) can go some way towards fulfilling the roles than Crouch could have been called upon to play.

    There are seven other teams in the finals series that, on their day, can play fantastic football and blow any opponent away. The Swans may well be beaten by a better team on the day. But I think we are in at least as good shape as this time last year and in some aspects better balanced.

    Thoughts?
  • swantastic
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2006
    • 7275

    #2
    Leo thinks so...
    Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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    • tawfiq
      hard ball getter
      • Aug 2006
      • 103

      #3
      personally i think roos may have told the plays to play not so great footy, only for us to be underrated and get under the radar of other teams, when i saw us play on sunday, it was the sydney that i had been used to seeing, we may have beaten brisbane but we werent playing good, i think accuracy is a clear indication of what im trying to say

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      • Bleed Red Blood
        Senior Player
        • Sep 2003
        • 2057

        #4
        Originally posted by tawfiq
        personally i think roos may have told the plays to play not so great footy, only for us to be underrated and get under the radar of other teams, when i saw us play on sunday, it was the sydney that i had been used to seeing, we may have beaten brisbane but we werent playing good, i think accuracy is a clear indication of what im trying to say
        ....

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #5
          Compared to last year:

          Better:
          Goodes
          Jolly
          O'Keefe
          LRT

          Slightly better
          MOL
          Schneider
          Ablett

          Same
          C Bolton
          Buchanan
          Dempster
          Fosdike
          Mathews

          Slightly worse
          Kennelly
          Barry
          Kirk
          J Bolton
          Hall
          Davis

          Worse
          Nil.

          Overall, the team is probably a bit better comparing the same players from last year to this year. The ones who are playing slightly worse have the potential to improve in the next few games too.

          We lose out quite a bit on the replacements for those not playing from last year.

          Net position would be much the same as last year, but with the benefit of more experience.

          New
          Malceski --
          McVeigh --
          Doyle --
          Richards =

          for

          Williams
          Crouch
          Ball
          Bevan

          We lose on all the new players relative to last year.
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • melbloods78
            On the Rookie List
            • Jul 2006
            • 83

            #6
            This time last year i was extremly confident we were THE team. This year i think we need to win this week and get the home preliminary final. I can't see our luck stretching far enough into the finals with the way we are playing.

            We are there !!!!!!!!!!!! As good a chance as any of the other 8 teams
            www.fuselive.com.au

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            • ScottH
              It's Goodes to cheer!!
              • Sep 2003
              • 23665

              #7
              Originally posted by NMWBloods

              Same
              C Bolton
              Buchanan
              Dempster
              Fosdike
              Mathews
              Same but C Bolton and Buchanan have both had excellent years, again.

              Dempster would be slightly better than last year, surely!?!?

              Good report, Liz.

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              • Schneiderman
                The Fourth Captain
                • Aug 2004
                • 1615

                #8
                Good thoughts Liz.

                I also think:
                - Nick Davis still has a lot to contribute in these finals, and may well become a bit of an X factor. His greatest asset though may be that he looks fitter and more team-oriented than ever before, and is willing to do more of an O'Keefe type role. With one each of those two on the wings and through the middle we are actually better off.
                - Our leg speed has improved from last year, as has our kicking penetration with the addition of Malceksi and McVeigh regularly, and the improvements in Dempster. Crouch added run off the backline, but his disposal is only average. Both Dempster and Malceksi have booming kicks that will work really well at the larger grounds.
                - We know we can do it. There is a quiet confidence in the group, and this is the main reason I think a Sydney v WC GF remains a distinct possibility. That knowledge that comes from being there for four years in a row, losing some tough ones, and then winning the flag is invaluable.
                Our Greatest Moment:

                Saturday, 24th Sept, 2005 - 5:13pm

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                • TheHood
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 1938

                  #9
                  Liz, I think your analysis does not quite match your question.

                  Are we a better team? or

                  Are our players better in 2006 than 2005?

                  Are we a better team is a question that requires true ponderance (is that a word? it is now).

                  On Sunday Sydney played with the selfless team-ethic that made them successful and famous in 2005.

                  The question is, right now, has our selflessness improved, has it caused us to run harder, tackle in numbers, block and shepherd to greater effect, create more options so playing on faster is more successful?

                  I think we have shown some glimpses that we can do that better than any time in 2005. We kicked 8 goals on Sunday from less than 15 metres from goal. Takes a lot of team work to achieve that. Didn't kick only 8 goals on 24 Sep 2005?
                  The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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                  • originalswan
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 550

                    #10
                    Better as a team?

                    The question is - Would the current team beat last year's team?
                    As this is impossible to put into practice I would say that on any given day either side would play better than the other.

                    Basically, this years team as last years has been a little up and down, with sporadic brilliant play mixed with an average "team" performance throughout the year.

                    Last year we seemed to stick to team rules alot more (simply due to the fact that we didn't have the coaches and players continuously talking about it in the media as this year), but we only finished one spot higher on the ladder.

                    I would conclude by saying that the competition as a whole has improved and the difference between the top four and bottom four has narrowed - So where does that leave us? With a very tough assignment to back up!!!

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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ScottH
                      Same but C Bolton and Buchanan have both had excellent years, again.
                      Definitely, but I'm just comparing them to last year.
                      Dempster would be slightly better than last year, surely!?!?
                      If anything slightly worse I thought, but experience in finals should offset that.
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • tawfiq
                        hard ball getter
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 103

                        #12
                        the question isnt are we a better team this year, we may have improved since last yr, but so has west coast and so has fremantle, collingwood has improved dramatically.

                        the question should be, are we better than our opponents this yr, relative to last yr, because to win a flag, its not just about us being a better team compared to last yr, its about us being better than the other teams this yr.

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                        • RogueSwan
                          McVeigh for Brownlow
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 4602

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          Compared to last year:

                          Better:
                          Goodes
                          Jolly
                          O'Keefe
                          LRT
                          I think Pebbles is playing at the same level he was this time last year, which is great footy. He seems to be running into the half back more often though.
                          I would like to slip Ablett into the above group based on his last month, something I would not have done earlier this season.


                          We lose on all the new players relative to last year.
                          but hopefully we pick up some extra effort* from those that missed out last that year.





                          *not the word I wanted to use but I can't find the RWO thesaurus. Maybe I wanted to use "determination"?
                          "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                          • Layby
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • May 2006
                            • 1803

                            #14
                            Magic actually looks fit this year. He has been leading up the ground and creating play rather than just being in and around the goal square. Great to see his kness are at least allowing him to get some aerobic fitness.

                            It makes a big difference to us as he is very hard to match up on when he actually runs around the ground. He has been very one dimensional over the last few years

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                            • hammo
                              Veterans List
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 5554

                              #15
                              Re: Are the Swans a better team than this time last year?

                              Originally posted by liz
                              Goal kicking aside, O'Loughlin looks in better form than at any time over the past three years.
                              I love how this comment is laced with such irony. I agree MOL is getting plenty of the ball and doing some amazing things, but how much more important will he be if he can start kicking straight with the accuracy of say a Brad Johnson! It would be worth an extra 3 or 4 goals a match to us which is a lot in finals. Hopefully with Mick it's a confidence thing and he turns it around this week. He is certainly looking fit.

                              I think you've summed it up well Liz. For mine Doyle is the potential wildcard for us this year. If he can hold on to a few more marks when he's pushed up forward it will be a real bonus for us. At the very least his presence may give Davo more opportunities if our opposition starts having to cover Hall, Mick, ROK and Donk in the same forward line.
                              "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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