Goodes to get better: Roos

[hammo]

Is Roos subtlety changing the "we ain't got no superstars" spin of recent years?

Goodes to get better

[reigning premier]

Ordinarily I would just say it's merely another media beat up.... However, I did agree with the following.....

While Goodes has shown the ability to dominate games, the premiership mentor felt he could become even more of a damaging player like James Hird and Anthony Koutoufides were in their prime.

Too true.....

Whilst Goodes can definetley destroy an opponent and easily be BOG, he rarely has the impact of an on fire Kouta in his prime....

Let's hope that side of his game is just around the corner....

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by reigning premier
Ordinarily I would just say it's merely another media beat up.... However, I did agree with the following.....



Too true.....

Whilst Goodes can definetley destroy an opponent and easily be BOG, he rarely has the impact of an on fire Kouta in his prime....

Let's hope that side of his game is just around the corner....

Kouta's best was absolutely phenomenal. If Goodesy could could produce that, we would have one hell of a footballer on our hands.

[AnnieH]

Barring injury (she says as she rubs the blue beads) - he's up for a stellar year. Roosy's right - the kid can only go up.
I'll cry if he bags a third brownlow.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Annie Haddad
Barring injury (she says as she rubs the blue beads) - he's up for a stellar year. Roosy's right - the kid can only go up.

Why? I reckon he can, and has at times, played a lot worse than he did last year. Every year is a big test, especially coming off a cracker like last season. That sort of form is hard to maintain over a month, let alone 2 seasons. Expect a solid year but not one like last season. It is unrealistic to expect him to improve just because we would like him to.

Oh, hang on, Roosey said he would. Perhaps he had a vision under his tripod...

[Sanecow]

Headline if Goodes wins the Brownlow this year: Goodes' "Better" Best!

[AnnieH]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Headline if Goodes wins the Brownlow this year: Goodes' "Better" Best!

Music to my ears Cow.

[stellation]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Headline if Goodes wins the Brownlow this year: Goodes' "Better" Best!

hehehehe

[swantastic]

Originally posted by Plugger46
Kouta's best was absolutely phenomenal. If Goodesy could could produce that, we would have one hell of a footballer on our hands.

We already do Plugger..
Brownlow count Kouta=0......Goodes=2 champion in my book.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by swantastic
We already do Plugger..
Brownlow count Kouta=0......Goodes=2 champion in my book.

Koutas' best was far and away better than Goodes'. To argue otherwise on the basis of their brownlow medal count is crap.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Annie Haddad
the kid can only go up.

Why?

[swantastic]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Koutas' best was far and away better than Goodes'. To argue otherwise on the basis of their brownlow medal count is crap.

Maybe so but Goodes is more consistant so IMO a better player hence the two brownlows.

[liz]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Koutas' best was far and away better than Goodes'. To argue otherwise on the basis of their brownlow medal count is crap.

I agree that arguing on the basis of Brownlow medals is crap, but I'm not sure I agree that Kouta's best was far and away better than Goodes'. I think they are just a little different.

Kouta was maybe - at his best - more capable of imposing himself physically on contests and making something happen out of nothing. He was never quite as "crash-bang" as someone like Jon Brown, or even Wayne Carey, but he had a physical presence around the contest that Goodes has yet to show to the same degree. He was probably a more consistent taker of contested marks - especially within packs - than Goodes is.

However, I doubt that Kouta covered the same amount of ground that Goodes does, offered himself as an option in so many different phases of the same play as Goodes can, even at his peak.

That makes them different players, in my book, but not necessarily one better than the other.

If you try to compare, say, Buckley and Hird at their prime it is almost impossible to say that one was a clearly better player than the other. Hird appeared to have more flair, maybe more magic, but Buckley was so relentless in getting the ball and using it damn well that I reckon he won as many games as Hird did. Robert Harvey is another who had much less apparent flair than Hird, but I would struggle to say which was a better player. They'd all have to be mighty proud of what they achieved.

Goodes has some way to go before he deserves to be remembered alongside the Hirds, Buckleys and Harveys of this world, mostly because they performed at an elite level for a remarkable number of seasons. Kouta got nowhere near that length of elite performance - probably unluckily due to injury but also because it took him many seasons to truly discover his role (not unlike Goodes).

I think Goodes can get better. He himself said last year that it was the first season that he had specifically trained to play as a midfielder and he clearly improved during the year. He seems to relish playing on the likes of Judd, not necessarily to beat him (yet) but to learn first hand how Judd weaves the magic that he does.

Whether he will is another matter. Other teams are going to increasingly devise strategies to reduce his impact. Good as he is, it has been shown that he can sometimes be closed down by opponents of modest talent. And in 2004 we witnessed how he struggled with injury. His efforts to battle on were commendable, for sure, but I suspect he needs to be close to 100% fit to perform at his best - unlike players like Hird and Voss who, I suspect, were often playing at well below 100% fit yet were still able to dominate.

I think Goodes' likely improvement is more likely to come in the form of better consistency - within games and between games - than in an increase in his brilliance during his dominant periods.

[NMWBloods]

Kouta was capable of regularly single-handedly winning games, whereas Goodes doesn't IMO.

[stellation]

Kouta was the best player I have ever had the pleasure to watch. Amazing player.