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  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #16
    Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
    And you call yourself a supporter
    I am a supporter of the Swans. Doesn't mean I have to think this whole thing about the 'Bloods' is all they say it is.
    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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    • ScottH
      It's Goodes to cheer!!
      • Sep 2003
      • 23665

      #17
      Originally posted by NMWBloods
      I am a supporter of the Swans. Doesn't mean I have to think this whole thing about the 'Bloods' is all they say it is.
      The Lions have employed the same bloke who set up the bloods, so they must see something good in it.

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      • DeadlyAkkuret
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2006
        • 4547

        #18
        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        I am a supporter of the Swans. Doesn't mean I have to think this whole thing about the 'Bloods' is all they say it is.
        Fair enough, but i don't see why they'd make it out to be something it isn't. There wouldn't be any real point to that would there?

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16778

          #19
          Originally posted by ScottH
          The Lions have employed the same bloke who set up the bloods, so they must see something good in it.
          His first foray into Australian Rules football was with Central Districts - where Peter Jonas was working as an assistant coach - and using his philosophies they turned themselves from perennial cellar dwellers into consistent finals performers and, eventually, premiers.

          He has worked with St Kilda (in mid 90s under Alves and again under Thomas), Collingwood (during the period they reached two grand finals) and Adelaide.

          He worked with the Kings and the Waratahs.

          Pretty much every elite sporting organisation he has worked with has seen a reasonable rapid improvement in performance. What is less persuasive is the extent to which they have managed to sustain it over a longish period of time, though his book does give some suggestions on why some organisations haven't sustained it.

          With the Swans we yet have to see that - not whether they will stay at or near the top for a long period of time, which is almost impossible within the framework the AFL operates in, but whether they can consistently perform at the best level that the particular group of players is capable of.

          Tis worth adding that McLean's work isn't about creating cultures in organisations. It is about providing those organisations with the framework and tools to determine their own values and then to develop a team or an organisation that actually reflects those values, rather than just sticking them up on the wall and forgetting about them.

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          • dimelb
            pr. dim-melb; m not f
            • Jun 2003
            • 6889

            #20
            Originally posted by liz
            With the Swans we yet have to see that - not whether they will stay at or near the top for a long period of time, which is almost impossible within the framework the AFL operates in, but whether they can consistently perform at the best level that the particular group of players is capable of.

            Tis worth adding that McLean's work isn't about creating cultures in organisations. It is about providing those organisations with the framework and tools to determine their own values and then to develop a team or an organisation that actually reflects those values, rather than just sticking them up on the wall and forgetting about them.
            This is the bit that interests me - whether there is going to be continuity of culture and how it affects the way they play.
            He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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