Player Stats: Swans vs. Eagles

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  • ScottH
    It's Goodes to cheer!!
    • Sep 2003
    • 23665

    Player Stats: Swans vs. Eagles

    Here are the match stats for Round One for Sydney Swans vs. West Coast.

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  • annew
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2006
    • 2164

    #2
    Well on those stats Kirk was as good as Judd and Kerr were. Also Judd gave away 5 frees - I think that is a lot for such a gun!

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #3
      Kirk played pretty well, but you can't compare the quality of the disposals.
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

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      • liz
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        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16795

        #4
        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        Kirk played pretty well, but you can't compare the quality of the disposals.
        I think you're being a tad unfair on Kirk there. He is a completely different kind of player to Judd and Kerr. He has nothing like the flash factor. But that doesn't, per se, make his disposals less effective. I don't recall many possessions going astray from Kirk last night.

        And while not taking anything away from Kerr and Judd, they definitely benefit from playing alongside each other (and alongside another certain player, when he's there). They frequently get multiple possessions in the same sequence of play, feeding off each other as they free up space. Kirk doesn't have the luxury of playing alongside the same quality, and rarely gets multiple possessions within a single play.

        My main criticism of Kirk based on those stats is that he seems to have been playing for both sides!

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        • Slick Swans
          On the Rookie List
          • May 2003
          • 207

          #5
          I think the most impressive part of Kirk's stats were his 8 tackles, a good tackle is every bit as important as a good kick in my books.

          Did Tadhg really take 13 marks? Thats huge!
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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #6
            Originally posted by liz
            I think you're being a tad unfair on Kirk there. He is a completely different kind of player to Judd and Kerr. He has nothing like the flash factor. But that doesn't, per se, make his disposals less effective. I don't recall many possessions going astray from Kirk last night.
            No, but Judd's possessions tend to make things happen. It's not that Kirk's are bad, they just have less impact than Judd's. Some players are more creative with more of their possessions and others on occasion and others are more basic.

            And while not taking anything away from Kerr and Judd, they definitely benefit from playing alongside each other (and alongside another certain player, when he's there). They frequently get multiple possessions in the same sequence of play, feeding off each other as they free up space. Kirk doesn't have the luxury of playing alongside the same quality, and rarely gets multiple possessions within a single play.
            But both of them also frequently go in and get their own ball and then make something happen with it.

            I don't expect Kirk to be able to either of those things and I'm not marking him down because of it - just observing that he is not in Judd's (or Kerr's) league.
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • Sanecow
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Mar 2003
              • 6917

              #7
              Are Hit Out stats too tricky for the AFL?

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              • stellation
                scott names the planets
                • Sep 2003
                • 9723

                #8
                Originally posted by liz
                I think you're being a tad unfair on Kirk there. He is a completely different kind of player to Judd and Kerr. He has nothing like the flash factor. But that doesn't, per se, make his disposals less effective. I don't recall many possessions going astray from Kirk last night.
                I have to disagree with you there... Kirk might hit targets from time to time, but if he does it is usually (by foot at least) with a floater and rarely puts the receiving player in a position to play on quickly. This is something that a number of our midfielders are guilty of, Kirk certainly isn't alone. Watch Brett or Jude with their quick kicks out of stoppages and then watch Judd or Kerr. Brett appears to have learnt his limitations and plays within them, but that can have a fair impact on the team when he gets 25+ disposals but can't take the best possible option the majority of the time because his skills just aren't up to scratch.
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                We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                • stellation
                  scott names the planets
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 9723

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sanecow
                  Are Hit Out stats too tricky for the AFL?
                  Well it is an extra column.
                  I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                  We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                  • ugg
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                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15978

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sanecow
                    Are Hit Out stats too tricky for the AFL?
                    Hit Outs have no impact on the game. 68% of statisticians know that. They're a superfluous category, like one-percenters and kicks on the non-preferred foot.
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