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  • goswannie14
    Leadership Group
    • Sep 2005
    • 11166

    #16
    Originally posted by swansrule100
    umpires can be crap, but i can honestly say i have never seen a game they actually changed the result of. If your good enough you will win.

    I started the thread because i believe if we lose to hawthorn we cannot win the premiership. I felt after we lost to the saints we had to win 3/4 minimum. If we lose to the hawks and have the week off we will be 5-6 facing an in form collingwood who are more than capable of beating us
    You obviously didn't watch Saturday night. It was a 1 point loss after a goal that shouldn't have been a goal. I have been to plenty of games (not just Swans) that have been decided by the blow of the umpires whistle. It unfortunately is a growing reality, to deny it is sticking your head in the sand.
    Does God believe in Atheists?

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    • swansrule100
      The quarterback
      • May 2004
      • 4538

      #17
      Originally posted by goswannie14
      You obviously didn't watch Saturday night. It was a 1 point loss after a goal that shouldn't have been a goal. I have been to plenty of games (not just Swans) that have been decided by the blow of the umpires whistle. It unfortunately is a growing reality, to deny it is sticking your head in the sand.


      yeh but the team should of been in front and it wouldnt matter. Yes there are terrible decisions and you can say they shouldnt of got this goal or that. But the fact is we had too many players make mistakes and play poorly.
      Theres not much left to say

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      • NMWBloods
        Taking Refuge!!
        • Jan 2003
        • 15819

        #18
        Originally posted by goswannie14
        You obviously didn't watch Saturday night. It was a 1 point loss after a goal that shouldn't have been a goal.
        It was a 1 point loss to a side we should have been 5 or more goals in front of!
        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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        • goswannie14
          Leadership Group
          • Sep 2005
          • 11166

          #19
          Originally posted by swansrule100
          yeh but the team should of been in front and it wouldnt matter. Yes there are terrible decisions and you can say they shouldnt of got this goal or that. But the fact is we had too many players make mistakes and play poorly.
          You didn't respond to the rest of my comment. Many games apart from Saturday night have been decided by the blow of the umpires decision. To deny that is just stupid.
          Does God believe in Atheists?

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          • goswannie14
            Leadership Group
            • Sep 2005
            • 11166

            #20
            Originally posted by NMWBloods
            It was a 1 point loss to a side we should have been 5 or more goals in front of!
            That's a little off topic as I was only commenting on the umpiring.
            Does God believe in Atheists?

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            • swansrule100
              The quarterback
              • May 2004
              • 4538

              #21
              Originally posted by goswannie14
              You didn't respond to the rest of my comment. Many games apart from Saturday night have been decided by the blow of the umpires decision. To deny that is just stupid.

              Sorry was pretending to work when i replied.

              Which game has been decided purely because the umpires stuffed up?? and not because the team didnt play well enough. My arguement is the umpriring generally levels itself out and if your the better team you will win anyway.
              Theres not much left to say

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #22
                Originally posted by goswannie14
                That's a little off topic as I was only commenting on the umpiring.
                SR100's point was that we lost the game because of the way we played not purely because of the umpiring.

                I really hope the players aren't thinking like many of the people here or we are in trouble!


                BTW - you really are overusing
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • goswannie14
                  Leadership Group
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 11166

                  #23
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  SR100's point was that we lost the game because of the way we played not purely because of the umpiring.

                  I really hope the players aren't thinking like many of the people here or we are in trouble!


                  BTW - you really are overusing
                  I don't know what you mean.

                  I'm not disputing that we played crap, but in the context of the match that decision cost us the match. If we had lost by more than 5 points it wouldn't be an issue, but the fact is we didn't so it is.
                  Does God believe in Atheists?

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                  • Industrial Fan
                    Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 3318

                    #24
                    Originally posted by swansrule100
                    Sorry was pretending to work when i replied.

                    Which game has been decided purely because the umpires stuffed up?? and not because the team didnt play well enough. My arguement is the umpriring generally levels itself out and if your the better team you will win anyway.
                    2005 QF vs West Coast?

                    Two howlers decided that game.
                    He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                    • liz
                      Veteran
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16770

                      #25
                      Originally posted by NMWBloods
                      SR100's point was that we lost the game because of the way we played not purely because of the umpiring.

                      I really hope the players aren't thinking like many of the people here or we are in trouble!
                      Of course the way they played was the main reason. But that is not the same as denying that umpiring ever impacts the result.

                      Does everything now think that the late umpiring decisions in the 2005 QF didn't strongly influence the result?

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #26
                        Originally posted by goswannie14
                        I don't know what you mean.

                        I'm not disputing that we played crap, but in the context of the match that decision cost us the match. If we had lost by more than 5 points it wouldn't be an issue, but the fact is we didn't so it is.
                        But it is a bit simplistic to point to an umpiring decision 7 minutes before full time, when a lot of things occur after it, and then try to extrapolate a change in that decision out to the finish.
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #27
                          Originally posted by liz
                          Of course the way they played was the main reason. But that is not the same as denying that umpiring ever impacts the result.

                          Does everything now think that the late umpiring decisions in the 2005 QF didn't strongly influence the result?
                          I'm not saying (maybe SR100 was) that the umpiring doesn't impact the result (best example I can think of was '05 Bulldogs v. Demons). However, it is rare that it's the main difference and I don't think Saturday was one of those cases. Yes, with better umpiring we may have won, but playing better would have had a bigger impact.
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • Vivien
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 261

                            #28
                            Originally posted by 573v30
                            If we have McLaren again, pencil it as a loss.
                            I doubt it. McLaren would be treading on eggshells if we had him again this weekend. We may even get favourable treatment from the umpires. They'll be out to save face after Saturday night.

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                            • swansrule100
                              The quarterback
                              • May 2004
                              • 4538

                              #29
                              im not saying umpring does affect a result. Its like a stupid kick or a dumb handball or a missed shot it can affect a result. I meant ive never seen a game the umpires changed the result of. They make a dumb decision and in a close game you can say well there 6 points that should of been different, but then the rest of the game can change anyway.

                              We had enough chances to pass better or kick goals and win the game, thats what cost us.


                              In close games you can say one decision cost a team the game or if its at the end it costs teams (like that stupid one in 2005 qualifying final), but really ive never seen the umpires give a team that didnt deserve to win, a victory. It like if a player misses a shot at goal after the siren to win the game is it their fault we lost??

                              The umpires are woeful, but it tends to go both ways, yes it influences a game, but doesnt really change the result.
                              Theres not much left to say

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                              • swansrule100
                                The quarterback
                                • May 2004
                                • 4538

                                #30
                                Originally posted by liz
                                Of course the way they played was the main reason. But that is not the same as denying that umpiring ever impacts the result.

                                Does everything now think that the late umpiring decisions in the 2005 QF didn't strongly influence the result?
                                they did strongly influence it, but do we think it was why we lost? we could of won that game and had it sown up before that dud call at the end.

                                I just think as bad as umpires are too much is made of it, other teams supporters reckon we get a gifted run.
                                Theres not much left to say

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