if we cant beat hawthorn

[goswannie14]

umpires can be crap, but i can honestly say i have never seen a game they actually changed the result of. If your good enough you will win.

I started the thread because i believe if we lose to hawthorn we cannot win the premiership. I felt after we lost to the saints we had to win 3/4 minimum. If we lose to the hawks and have the week off we will be 5-6 facing an in form collingwood who are more than capable of beating us

You obviously didn't watch Saturday night. It was a 1 point loss after a goal that shouldn't have been a goal. I have been to plenty of games (not just Swans) that have been decided by the blow of the umpires whistle. It unfortunately is a growing reality, to deny it is sticking your head in the sand.

[swansrule100]

You obviously didn't watch Saturday night. It was a 1 point loss after a goal that shouldn't have been a goal. I have been to plenty of games (not just Swans) that have been decided by the blow of the umpires whistle. It unfortunately is a growing reality, to deny it is sticking your head in the sand.

yeh but the team should of been in front and it wouldnt matter. Yes there are terrible decisions and you can say they shouldnt of got this goal or that. But the fact is we had too many players make mistakes and play poorly.

[NMWBloods]

You obviously didn't watch Saturday night. It was a 1 point loss after a goal that shouldn't have been a goal.

It was a 1 point loss to a side we should have been 5 or more goals in front of!

[goswannie14]

yeh but the team should of been in front and it wouldnt matter. Yes there are terrible decisions and you can say they shouldnt of got this goal or that. But the fact is we had too many players make mistakes and play poorly.

You didn't respond to the rest of my comment. Many games apart from Saturday night have been decided by the blow of the umpires decision. To deny that is just stupid.

[goswannie14]

It was a 1 point loss to a side we should have been 5 or more goals in front of!

That's a little off topic as I was only commenting on the umpiring.

[swansrule100]

You didn't respond to the rest of my comment. Many games apart from Saturday night have been decided by the blow of the umpires decision. To deny that is just stupid.

Sorry was pretending to work when i replied.

Which game has been decided purely because the umpires stuffed up?? and not because the team didnt play well enough. My arguement is the umpriring generally levels itself out and if your the better team you will win anyway.

[NMWBloods]

That's a little off topic as I was only commenting on the umpiring.

SR100's point was that we lost the game because of the way we played not purely because of the umpiring.

I really hope the players aren't thinking like many of the people here or we are in trouble!


BTW - you really are overusing

[goswannie14]

SR100's point was that we lost the game because of the way we played not purely because of the umpiring.

I really hope the players aren't thinking like many of the people here or we are in trouble!


BTW - you really are overusing

I don't know what you mean.

I'm not disputing that we played crap, but in the context of the match that decision cost us the match. If we had lost by more than 5 points it wouldn't be an issue, but the fact is we didn't so it is.

[Industrial Fan]

Sorry was pretending to work when i replied.

Which game has been decided purely because the umpires stuffed up?? and not because the team didnt play well enough. My arguement is the umpriring generally levels itself out and if your the better team you will win anyway.

2005 QF vs West Coast?

Two howlers decided that game.

[liz]

SR100's point was that we lost the game because of the way we played not purely because of the umpiring.

I really hope the players aren't thinking like many of the people here or we are in trouble!

Of course the way they played was the main reason. But that is not the same as denying that umpiring ever impacts the result.

Does everything now think that the late umpiring decisions in the 2005 QF didn't strongly influence the result?

[NMWBloods]

I don't know what you mean.

I'm not disputing that we played crap, but in the context of the match that decision cost us the match. If we had lost by more than 5 points it wouldn't be an issue, but the fact is we didn't so it is.

But it is a bit simplistic to point to an umpiring decision 7 minutes before full time, when a lot of things occur after it, and then try to extrapolate a change in that decision out to the finish.

[NMWBloods]

Of course the way they played was the main reason. But that is not the same as denying that umpiring ever impacts the result.

Does everything now think that the late umpiring decisions in the 2005 QF didn't strongly influence the result?

I'm not saying (maybe SR100 was) that the umpiring doesn't impact the result (best example I can think of was '05 Bulldogs v. Demons). However, it is rare that it's the main difference and I don't think Saturday was one of those cases. Yes, with better umpiring we may have won, but playing better would have had a bigger impact.

[Vivien]

If we have McLaren again, pencil it as a loss.

I doubt it. McLaren would be treading on eggshells if we had him again this weekend. We may even get favourable treatment from the umpires. They'll be out to save face after Saturday night.

[swansrule100]

im not saying umpring does affect a result. Its like a stupid kick or a dumb handball or a missed shot it can affect a result. I meant ive never seen a game the umpires changed the result of. They make a dumb decision and in a close game you can say well there 6 points that should of been different, but then the rest of the game can change anyway.

We had enough chances to pass better or kick goals and win the game, thats what cost us.


In close games you can say one decision cost a team the game or if its at the end it costs teams (like that stupid one in 2005 qualifying final), but really ive never seen the umpires give a team that didnt deserve to win, a victory. It like if a player misses a shot at goal after the siren to win the game is it their fault we lost??

The umpires are woeful, but it tends to go both ways, yes it influences a game, but doesnt really change the result.

[swansrule100]

Of course the way they played was the main reason. But that is not the same as denying that umpiring ever impacts the result.

Does everything now think that the late umpiring decisions in the 2005 QF didn't strongly influence the result?

they did strongly influence it, but do we think it was why we lost? we could of won that game and had it sown up before that dud call at the end.

I just think as bad as umpires are too much is made of it, other teams supporters reckon we get a gifted run.