Players who should be under the pump

[gloveski]

We lack leg speed and continually are lead to the ball by our apponent in every position?

Jude Bolton - What a rapid decline, has no influence on games and just doesn't get the ball, Mcgoos are calling but will it happen most likely not.

Amon Buchanan - Has really struggled since returning from injury either needs a spell to get his body right or a run in the 2's to get his confidence up.

Adam Schneider - Plays well when we win but goes missing when we need him most. Should be playing out of a back pocket in my opinion because he can offer drive

Paul Bevan - Love the guys endevour but has to many brain explosions skills are woeful for someone who plays on the last line of defence.

Jarrod Mcveigh - Surely he has had enough chances hardly sighted last night..........no make that all season

And of course Barry Hall but you don't drop champions


Haven't named Grundy because you can't judge him on his limited game time........Scmidt is getting more impressive week in week out start him in the middle and see what happens.If he gets dropped I'll rip up my membership.

Who have we got to step up............hard to say really due to the mickey mouse comp our reserves play in..........substandard comp and to many byes.
Maybe the coaching panel need to bite the bullet but can't see it happening.

[Bloody Hell]

The same names every week. Everyone knows who they are...unfortunately Mr Roos refuses to select on form. He doesn't believe there is such a thing as good or bad form.

Mr Roos...if you select alot of players with no/bad form the team will be incosistant and in poor form.... FORM EXISTS, I'VE SEEN IT!!!

[giant]

Wouldn't disagree too much with this list.

I actually thought Jude had an all right game last night - it was just that he butchered his disposal time and time again. He's actually been on the improve in recent weeks so he's unlikely to go anywhere.

Bevan in fact kept Davis very quiet so you would have to say he did his job even if he did seem to stuff up every time he actually got hold of it.

Agree on Buchy & Schneider - getting way too little from both of them. Exacerbated last night by really poor games from Fossie & McVeigh - our midfielders were pounded.

Hall, of course, was just horrible. I've got no idea what we do about that.

The sad part is that besides Hall & Micky O, a lot of the disappointments are our younger players - doesn't bode well for the future.

[Robbo]

Guys who REALLY need to be dropped: Bevan and McVeigh.

Guys who should come under the spotlight: Jude, Hall, Leo and Mathews.

[NMWBloods]

J Bolton and McVeigh are liabilities.

Buchanan has slipped a lot since last year and is becoming more borderline.

Bevan's use is limited. There is more to the modern game in the backline than just stopping your opponent. This is a problem with Mathews too - they give little in offence.

Schneider has played quite well this year I think, but is still not consistent enough.

Hall's game is on a big downward spiral and it's hard to see how it will be corrected. He is incapable of regularly marking in his hands and our forward line structure will not be adjusted to allow for that.

L Barry is playing better than I thought he would this year, but I still think his time is limited.

MOL is a problem too - he goes missing and doesn't really stand up in games where we need him. Wouldn't be such a problem if the rest of the team was playing well.

There seem to be too many players in the team who will do well if the whole team is playing well, but cannot stand up and influence the game themselves.


Our side at the moment reminds me of so many teams who have a period at the top. When it comes time to change the team they refuse to do so, relying on the same players and same game plan that did well in the past. As has been said numerous times, the Swans need to work some younger players through the side.

Unfortunately the team performance doesn't continue to do well as the players are a little older and slower, and the opposition works them out. The way to beat the Swans = pressure all around the ground and loose man in defence. The Swans "skillful" football in the past has mainly been around working it around in situations where they find a loose man. In a tight man-on-man game the skill deficiencies in certain areas are shown up.

[swansrule100]

i could stomich losses like last night better if i saw that there was something going on with the structure. I am sick of the little dicky kicks in the forward 50, surely if your down you try and go long and straight not wide and short. Too much farting around with the footy. Id also be able to accept it more if i saw some young guys playing, and these young guys getting serious game time.

Its time to make some wholesale changes, while there is a significant portion of the season left. Obviously you dont drop every senior player, for instance i wouldnt drop hall, he is on the decline, but with the right structure he can recapture some sort of reasonable form. We need a few young forwards getting the chance to play with hall, and barry and goodes and kirk before they decline too much so the young guys can learn from people who have been successful in finals.

[liz]

MOL is a problem too - he goes missing and doesn't really stand up in games where we need him. Wouldn't be such a problem if the rest of the team was playing well.

As with Hall, I thought Micky's work rate yesterday was pretty good. He didn't have a great game and Goldsack played well, but he didn't stay put waiting in the F50 for the ball to arrive but instead ran long and hard down the wings trying to provide an option for the beseiged defenders trying to clear the ball.

[swansrule100]

mickyo looked like he was on the verge of providing a little bit of spark quite a few times, just never quite happened, maybe it was the magic glove

[NMWBloods]

As with Hall, I thought Micky's work rate yesterday was pretty good. He didn't have a great game and Goldsack played well, but he didn't stay put waiting in the F50 for the ball to arrive but instead ran long and hard down the wings trying to provide an option for the beseiged defenders trying to clear the ball.

Yes, they try hard but they're not effective. MOL is playing against guys with just a few games and he is fumbling, miskicking and generally being beaten by them. This is the sort of thing I am talking about. It's not good enough for a guy with 250 games to say - well at least he tried but he was beaten by a guy playing his fifth game!

[liz]

Yes, they try hard but they're not effective. MOL is playing against guys with just a few games and he is fumbling, miskicking and generally being beaten by them. This is the sort of thing I am talking about. It's not good enough for a guy with 250 games to say - well at least he tried but he was beaten by a guy playing his fifth game!

I just reckon we should be pointing the finger at the blokes who didn't put the effort in rather than those who at least busted a gut trying to make something happen.

In all our despair about last night, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Collingwood were exceptionally good. Their pressure all night was phenomenal and so was their work rate - the fact that they always had more players at the contest, AND were still able to create men in space far more often than Sydney, is indicative of this. I have no idea how Malthouse has managed to instill so much confidence in the youngsters - few of them high draft picks other than Pendlebury and Thomas - that they belong at the senior level. But hats off to him and it may be something Roos can take note of.

My angst is not directed towards those who dropped marks, fumbled etc but at least were still working their butts off to try and get to contests - like Magic and Bazza - so much as those who should have been working their butts off throughout the midfield to find space and create options but who, for whatever reason, chose not to bother. Of our midfielders, I reckon Kirk's effort was good (as it always is) even though he wasn't quite as effective as in recent weeks, Goodes was trying to present, Schmitt was decent and Ablett's first quarter was OK before fading. Jude was so-so but absolutely none of Fosdike, Schneider, Buchanan, Mathews or McVeigh did anything to try and turn the tide.

[NMWBloods]

I think we should point the finger at everyone who underperformed.

Hall and MOL tried hard, but did little right.

J Bolton always tries hard, but his disposal becomes worse every game. Nearly every kick was a shocker.

Fosdike seemed to work pretty hard, but had little influence.

Schneider, Buchanan, Mathews, Ablett and McVeigh seemed to do little work and were completely ineffective when they did get the ball.

I find all of it frustrating, and the comment that "he tried hard" only barely puts them above those who didn't.

[liz]

Fosdike seemed to work pretty hard, but had little influence.

Fosdike was one who seemed to show little intensity at the contest for me. There were a couple of times in the first half where he was the target for a kick-out and just stood, flat-footed, waiting for the ball to arrive rather than moving forward to mark it. Both times a Pies player closed quickly, spoiled the ball before Fosdike marked it and set up a scoring chance. Each time the kicks were slightly risky, bullet passes from Malceski so maybe some of the blame is Malceski's but I don't think there was actually much wrong with the kicks themselves or the decisions to kick there had Fosdike shown intensity in marking the ball.

[NMWBloods]

Yes - good point on that aspect.

[barry]

Bevan played well. He got to a lot of contests his more celebrated team mates wouldnt bother to try to get to. He blanked Davis, and spent a fair amount of time covering other opponents for team mates. He is one player who is much better to see Live. My opinion on him is turning.

Schmidt played really well too. I dont buy this crap that canberra doesnt prepare players for AFL standard. There's just 2 who have spent a bit of time in Canberra who are doing better than McVeigh who's had the whole year in the seniors.

How many better players than McVeigh do we have rotting in the 2's ?

[revolsnaws]

Poor ol' Bazza,strugglin to take a mark.The focus is on him by all and sundry for doin so but whilst this is happenin where are the loose men when he is being double tagged and triple tagged and now and then quadruple tagged???? Off the top of my head i cant remember who they were(cos they were quite inconspicuous whomever they were).And all those bloody broken tackles,HURRUMPH!!!!