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  • Chookbilly
    Sniffing out the pill
    • Mar 2007
    • 393

    Free kick difference

    I've known for quite some time that we usually get the raw end of the deal when it comes to umpiring.
    I just wasn't aware that it was this bad....

    Below is a list of the free kick difference for each team from 2005 to round 18 2007

    West Coast +207
    Kangaroos +167
    Carlton +110
    St.Kilda +93
    Collingwood +87
    Richmond +48
    Essendon +40
    Brisbane +27
    Geelong -8
    Melbourne -8
    Western Bulldogs -18
    Port Adelaide -57
    Adelaide -97
    Fremantle -111
    Hawthorn -144
    Sydney -240


    I'm not suggesting that free kicks shoud be even, but that's a massive discrepancy and a worrying trend over almost 3 years.
    You would think that things would even themselves out somewhat over that sort of time.
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  • sharp9
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 2508

    #2
    I have absolutely no doubt that nearly all the afl umopires are biased against Sydney...presumably this is sub-conscious, but the bias is pretty obvious...other teams get frees paid that we don't, and have done for several years. On top of this there are a similarly disproportionate number (IMHO) of straight out errors...ie about 3 to 1 against us. It is unbelievably rare for the Swans to receive a completely erroneous free kick.
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    • glennb
      On the Rookie List
      • May 2006
      • 7

      #3
      how are the discrepancies calculated? WCE are +207 from what starting point?
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      • ScottH
        It's Goodes to cheer!!
        • Sep 2003
        • 23665

        #4
        Originally posted by Chookbilly
        I'm not suggesting that free kicks shoud be even, but that's a massive discrepancy and a worrying trend over almost 3 years.
        So how do you explain 2 GF's and a Premiership in that 3 years?

        What would've happened if our count was +200 instead?

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        • monopoly19
          Senior Player
          • Aug 2003
          • 1098

          #5
          Originally posted by glennb
          how are the discrepancies calculated? WCE are +207 from what starting point?
          If West Coast receive 15 free kicks in a game and give away 15, then they are at 0. the +207 means that between 2005-2007, they've received 207 more free kicks than they've given away, while we've given away 240 more than we've received. At least that's how I understand it.

          Given that we've played them in the last 2 grand finals, that is an absolutely amazing stat.

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          • ugg
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            • Jan 2003
            • 15977

            #6
            The numbers don't add up to 0, which should be the case.
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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #7
              It works out to 3.4 free kicks per game for the Swans.

              So FF 17.3, FA 20.7

              For West Coast it is:

              FF 19.0, FA 16.0

              We give away more free kicks than any other team.

              Worst offenders are Hall, Jolly, Goodes and Barry.
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              • Lucky Knickers
                Fandom of Fabulousness
                • Oct 2003
                • 4220

                #8
                [QUOTE=ScottH;324616]So how do you explain 2 GF's and a Premiership in that 3 years?QUOTE]

                Gees Scott where have you been? As the AFLs love child it doesn't matter how many FF or FA we get - we will always be given a red carpet ride into the grand final.

                Why is that stat surprising when Gieschen admitted earlier this year that the umps are going to reward ball winners?

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                • hudsta
                  Sydney Mafia
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 90

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Chookbilly
                  I've known for quite some time that we usually get the raw end of the deal when it comes to umpiring.
                  I just wasn't aware that it was this bad....

                  Below is a list of the free kick difference for each team from 2005 to round 18 2007

                  West Coast +207
                  Kangaroos +167
                  Carlton +110
                  St.Kilda +93
                  Collingwood +87
                  Richmond +48
                  Essendon +40
                  Brisbane +27
                  Geelong -8
                  Melbourne -8
                  Western Bulldogs -18
                  Port Adelaide -57
                  Adelaide -97
                  Fremantle -111
                  Hawthorn -144
                  Sydney -240


                  I'm not suggesting that free kicks shoud be even, but that's a massive discrepancy and a worrying trend over almost 3 years.
                  You would think that things would even themselves out somewhat over that sort of time.
                  While i do think we get a raw deal with free kicks some players are justified in getting penalized. Barry Hall gives away some stupid free kicks and he knows it.

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                  • TheHood
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 1938

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hudsta
                    While i do think we get a raw deal with free kicks some players are justified in getting penalized. Barry Hall gives away some stupid free kicks and he knows it.
                    Don't think thats the argument, the point is, he doesn't get the ones back that he deserves often enough.
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                    • ScottH
                      It's Goodes to cheer!!
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 23665

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
                      Gees Scott where have you been? As the AFLs love child it doesn't matter how many FF or FA we get - we will always be given a red carpet ride into the grand final.
                      Oops, my bad.

                      Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
                      Why is that stat surprising when Gieschen admitted earlier this year that the umps are going to reward ball winners?

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                      • reigning premier
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 4335

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TheHood
                        Don't think thats the argument, the point is, he doesn't get the ones back that he deserves often enough.
                        To be honest.... He's rarely receiving frees because he's rarely the victim of sloppy/poor play. He just manages to dish it out in spades.

                        Same goes with Leaping.....

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                        • connolly
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 2461

                          #13
                          [QUOTE=Lucky Knickers;324628]
                          Originally posted by ScottH
                          So how do you explain 2 GF's and a Premiership in that 3 years?QUOTE]

                          Gees Scott where have you been? As the AFLs love child it doesn't matter how many FF or FA we get - we will always be given a red carpet ride into the grand final.

                          Why is that stat surprising when Gieschen admitted earlier this year that the umps are going to reward ball winners?
                          It is a staggering stat. If ball winners are rewarded how come Goodsey, a dead set ball player, is fifth (last time I checked) in FA'S. The umps have become the style police and are umpiring to an AFL policy to favour a certain style of footy. Anderson said as much recently.
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                          • AnnieH
                            RWOs Black Sheep
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 11332

                            #14
                            Didn't one of them come out and say earlier in the year that there is a "protected" list.
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                            • reigning premier
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 4335

                              #15
                              Originally posted by connolly

                              Goodsey, a dead set ball player
                              Think this belongs in the Goodesy/Blonde thread....

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