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Micky O is exerting influence far wider across the ground than in past years.
O'Keefe I'd say is at about the same level.
And agree that Jolly has been hot and cold - though his "hot spots" in terms of around the ground influence have been so much better than anything last year that overall he's delivering a lot lot more.
The other key player neither of you mentioned was Goodes. Although the last month or so has seen him start to resemble the 2006 model, his best games this year have still only been at the level of his average games last year. If he can continue the upwards trajectory of his form improvement to the level we know he's capable of, that is one major reason to suggest the team can get better.Comment
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IMO Bevan is just too much of a liability come finals time. His form has been good and he can be a great tagger but he has the potential to give away silly free kicks and/or make mistakes at crucial times which, when playing as a backman, can cost you a game. Dempster is more relaible, has better skills and can play on a medium sized or small forward option. He is a perfect replacement for Malceski or Kennelly when they need a rest.Comment
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I'm more with MMG on those particular players. I think Kirk is having a super season. He's barely played an ordinary game all year - last week was his quietest second half in ages and was maybe down to the hit of the head on the cricket pitch - or possibly just the general lethargy of the Swans in the second half.
Micky O is exerting influence far wider across the ground than in past years.
O'Keefe I'd say is at about the same level.
And agree that Jolly has been hot and cold - though his "hot spots" in terms of around the ground influence have been so much better than anything last year that overall he's delivering a lot lot more.
The other key player neither of you mentioned was Goodes. Although the last month or so has seen him start to resemble the 2006 model, his best games this year have still only been at the level of his average games last year. If he can continue the upwards trajectory of his form improvement to the level we know he's capable of, that is one major reason to suggest the team can get better.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Nothing like a bit of positivity...geez....no wonder I stopped posting here. Too many "I-like-to-call-myself-a-realist-but-really-I-am-an-angry-pessimist-who-loves-to-think-the-worst-because-the-suprise-in-things-turning-out-well-is-so-much-better-without-the-chance-that-I may-actually-be-dissappointed"
Longest name of a "type of person" ever...Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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In your opinion, what is it?
Here's mine:
B: Ben Matthews, Leo Barry, Lewis Roberts-Thomson
HB: Tadhg Kennelly, Craig Bolton, Nick Malceski
C: Luke Ablett, Brett Kirk, Amon Buchanan
HF: Ryan O?Keefe, Michael O?Loughlin, Nic Fosdike
F: Adam Schneider, Barry Hall, Nick Davis
Foll: Darren Jolly, Jude Bolton, Adam Goodes
I/C: Peter Everitt, Jarrad McVeigh, Ted Richards, Sean Dempster
EMG: Tim Schmidt, Paul Bevan, Matthew Laidlaw
And I note:
- One of the best HB lines in the comp, great speed, skill and drive.
- One of the most potent F line in the comp when firing.
- One of best tap ruckman coming off the bench. Great tandem of Jolly and Everitt.
- Good medium-sized bodies off the bench and a vastly improved tagger (McVeigh) to relieve the likes of Ablett, Kirk and Matthews
- Richards over Schmidt on the basis of experience and flexibility. Richards can go forward or back while Schmidt merely provides another midfield option.
- IMO Bevan is just too much of a liability come finals time. His form has been good and he can be a great tagger but he has the potential to give away silly free kicks and/or make mistakes at crucial times which, when playing as a backman, can cost you a game. Dempster is more relaible, has better skills and can play on a medium sized or small forward option. He is a perfect replacement for Malceski or Kennelly when they need a rest.
- Laidlaw lacks game experience but come finals time you need runners so I'd rather him as an EMG over Grudy or Vogels. In any case, we have a number of guys in our starting 22 who can play F or B should we need to mix things up e.g. Richards, LRT, Goodes.
Thoughts?Bevo bandwagon driverComment
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Agree... BUT......
Hall is well down. No arguments here
O'Keefe is down a little. But still contributing
J Bolton is struggling badly. Yep. Needs to lift. Looked like he was improving last weekend against poor opposition
Kirk is down a little. Think he's going oK. Mainly because he's doing all the work he looks a little down
McVeigh well below his 2006 performance. Bet yo?r ass on that one. But maybe improving at the right time?
No Crouch. We do miss him
MOL is slightly down. Nope. Having his best season for a while. He's had to!
Buchanan has been down. Played very, very strongly on the weekend. Hope he's back!
Malceski is well in front of last year The only reason we've got as many wins as we have.Comment
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I'd just note - when I say that certain players are down a little it doesn't mean they're not playing well, just that they're not playing as well as they were during some key stages in the past two years. Given how close the flag race is, if any critical players are down just a little from last year, that puts us behind relative to previous years.
As for MOL, his main job is to kick goals and that's well down. Possessions are much the same.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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People are being very generous when they say O'Loughlin is performing better than in previous seasons.
I don't think an average of 1.7 goals per game is a good return for a full forward, whatever his influence across the ground. In 2005 he kicked 52 goals (averaging about 2 goals per game) so on that alone he's below previous seasons' output.Last edited by hammo; 11 August 2007, 01:23 PM."As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk
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The ruck division as a whole is a mighty improvement on 2006 - and maybe modestly ahead of 2005. Jolly did a gallant job carrying the ruck almost on his own last season but gave us nothing around the ground. I don't think our current ruck duo is dominant at stoppages but both have been very important contributors right around the ground - and if Everitt's arrival has been a factor in helping Jolly become an all round better player, he's been a fantastic get.Comment
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He's not really been playing as a FF though. Hall's been playing much closer to goal this season than in past ones - probably injury related. He's probably the closest we've had to a FF. Micky's role has been more akin to that which Davis generally plays.Comment
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Sure he has improved, but top five in the last two games? I s'pose we will have to wait until the TLM is compiled to see if that is the case. We all know the TLM is the bible.
Round 17: I would put:
B2 (surely he should be B1 by now), Schneiderman, Davis, B1, Captain, Hall, in front of Bevan. Even fossie and jolly could be argued as being better.
and against the hopeless Dees:
Schneider, Monty, Eski, pebbles, Spida, Goodes, fearless fosdike, .... then maybe Bevo in the lower reaches of the top ten if at all?"Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017Comment
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