Malthouse says: recreational drugs may well be performance enhancing.

[Mr_Juicy]

people who think that recreational drugs aren't performance enhancing, do not live in the real world.

[AnnieH]

Didn't you say in the other thread that recreational drugs were performance enhancing.

Well, really ... it depends on the drug.
According to the shopping brochure my friendly commonwealth government just sent me, some drugs are more performance enhancing than others.

For example,

If you take speed or ice or cocaine, your reaction is likely to be one that has you buzzing or giving you a sense of everything "rushing"; if you imbibe in marijuana, your reaction is likely to be one that has you feeling more relaxed than normal ... dead-set, I've never seen anyone run up a storm on marijuana.

I'm assuming that Maltmouth is talking more about your man-made chemical drug rather than one that is a weed.

[NMWBloods]

According to UNESCO...

Cannabis has no performing-enhancing benefit.

Cocaine has limited performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Inhalants have no performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Opiates have no performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Amphetamines have performing-enhancing benefit but still have potential to reduce performance.

[AnnieH]

According to UNESCO...

Cannabis has no performing-enhancing benefit.

Cocaine has limited performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Inhalants have no performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Opiates have no performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Amphetamines have performing-enhancing benefit but still have potential to reduce performance.

P.O.T.E.N.T.I.A.L.
There's a key word. In my experience, it's difference strokes for different folks ... kinda like a fingerprint - every experience is different. I know stockbrokers who perform fantasically on cocaine and amphetamines.
Did anyone take a codral type flu remedy over winter? (The speed you have when you don't have speed!!)

[BeeEmmAre]

When you're stoned, you still feel pain BMR. You just don't care about it as much.

I didn't think you'd be into that Annie?

[Mr_Juicy]

According to UNESCO...

Cannabis has no performing-enhancing benefit.

Cocaine has limited performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Inhalants have no performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Opiates have no performing-enhancing benefit and potential to reduce performance.

Amphetamines have performing-enhancing benefit but still have potential to reduce performance.

derrrr and what are most players taking

[AnnieH]

I didn't think you'd be into that Annie?

I'm very broad minded BMR.

[NMWBloods]

P.O.T.E.N.T.I.A.L.
There's a key word. In my experience, it's difference strokes for different folks ... kinda like a fingerprint - every experience is different. I know stockbrokers who perform fantasically on cocaine and amphetamines.
Did anyone take a codral type flu remedy over winter? (The speed you have when you don't have speed!!)

And the point is that most of them don't have performing-enhancing benefit, especially if they are taken outside game time.

[NMWBloods]

derrrr and what are most players taking

Yes - players taking performing-enhancing drugs to cheat is a normal issue that needs to be constantly monitored in professional sport.

A lot of the fuss is about the need to name and shame players taking recreational drugs outside game time and some people are arguing that these have some performing-enhancing benefit. That does not necessarily appear to be the case.

[Zlatorog]

Yes - players taking performing-enhancing drugs to cheat is a normal issue that needs to be constantly monitored in professional sport.

A lot of the fuss is about the need to name and shame players taking recreational drugs outside game time and some people are arguing that these have some performing-enhancing benefit. That does not necessarily appear to be the case.

Well, we don't know that, do we? How would you know if they didn't take those drugs when playing games. Or feeling aftereffects when playing? As said earlier, clubs and AFL are too soft on that issue and that is a problem. I don't care what they do in their off-season (and I don't want to know), but I get very upset if that behavior carries into the playing season. We heard from the Rugby player about his problems during and off the season, so what makes you think it wouldn't apply to any other AFL player? You don't need to look any further than WCE.

[NMWBloods]

Of course - as I've said, they need to be careful about drugs and sport where it is affecting performance during the game. However, a lot of the comments are about naming and shaming footballers for all their use of recreational drugs.

[AnnieH]

Of course - as I've said, they need to be careful about drugs and sport where it is affecting performance during the game. However, a lot of the comments are about naming and shaming footballers for all their use of recreational drugs.

Let's not forget that "recreational" drugs are still considered illegal in this country.
If an elite sportsperson get busted using recreational drugs and are found guilty, they get a criminal record, which, is available to all and sundry as part of the public domain.
We never hear of Joe Blow's (excuse the pun) arrest and subsequent guilty charge - Joe Blow's a nobody.
Of course the media want to name and shame elite sportspeople (no matter what sport) as recreational drug users (if they are) - it sells papers.

[NMWBloods]

Let's not forget that "recreational" drugs are still considered illegal in this country.

Of course - no one is saying that they should be allowed to do it. I'm saying that there is no need to 'name and shame' them over recreational drug use.

If an elite sportsperson get busted using recreational drugs and are found guilty, they get a criminal record, which, is available to all and sundry as part of the public domain.

Yes. But if they are in rehabilitation, then why should their private medical records be released to the public?

We never hear of Joe Blow's (excuse the pun) arrest and subsequent guilty charge - Joe Blow's a nobody.
Of course the media want to name and shame elite sportspeople (no matter what sport) as recreational drug users (if they are) - it sells papers.

Because people like you crave scandal.

[AnnieH]

Of course - no one is saying that they should be allowed to do it. I'm saying that there is no need to 'name and shame' them over recreational drug use.
Yes. But if they are in rehabilitation, then why should their private medical records be released to the public?

Because people like you crave scandal.

Why not name them? Bring it all out into the open ... help them.

My argument is that whilst the majority of Australians put their sportspeople on pedestals, they should be made examples of. Put a better class of people on that pedestal Australia ... sportspeople are so well known for their abundance of grey matter and excellent decision-making abilities.

By virtue of them being in rehab, they have a problem. Part of being in rehab is admitting publicly you have a problem (be it in an "AA like" group, or one to one with your rehab officer). You have to admit that you have a problem before it can be fixed.

Of course I crave scandal. What's the point of buying a newspaper if it isn't going to entertain me??

[NMWBloods]

Why not name them? Bring it all out into the open ... help them.

So putting their name in the paper helps them more than attending rehabilition...?

My argument is that whilst the majority of Australians put their sportspeople on pedestals, they should be made examples of. Put a better class of people on that pedestal Australia. Life would be easier for all concerned if Australian society placed other people on pedestals ... sportspeople are so well known for their abundance of grey matter and excellent decision-making abilities.

Because idiots put sports people on a pedestal doesn't mean the private medical records of those sportspeople should be available to all and sundry.

By virtue of them being in rehab, they have a problem. Part of being in rehab is admitting publicly you have a problem (be it in an "AA like" group, or one to one with your rehab officer). You have to admit that you have a problem before it can be fixed.

You don't have to admit publicly if you are doing rehab and you don't have to put your name in the paper to get better.

Of course I crave scandal. What's the point of buying a newspaper if it isn't going to entertain me??

How unsurprising...