Reserves Scores

**ugg** · 2 September 2007, 03:10 PM

Reserves Scores

uggugg: Swans 13.10(88) bcon 11.3(69) game on. Monk brasington white phillips

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**ugg** · 2 September 2007, 06:05 PM

Belconnen got close in the 3rd quarter but some late goals gave us a comfortable margin. Never threatened in the last and recorded a solid victory.

They alternated Grundy/Vogels and White/Rowe in the key positions between each quarter. White also was the 2nd ruckman after Shaw. Vogels wasn't very comfortable down back, probably lacks the pace to close down forwards on leads. Grundy surprisingly very quiet as well.

Schmidt played but I didn't feel he dominated as he usually does. Brabazon was very prominent, getting the ball a heap of times, in the midfield and off halfback. Moore again impressed the hell out of me with some of his work around the packs. Keeps his wits and uses it very well. Phillips very lively up forward, works hard off the ball as well. White had one of his better games, strong hands and a good leap. Young top-up Monk did well in the forward line and kicked straight from his opportunities.

Just have to add that Belconnen are the biggest whingers when an umpiring decision goes against them.

**liz** · 2 September 2007, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by ugg

Schmidt played but I didn't feel he dominated as he usually does. Brabazon was very prominent, getting the ball a heap of times, in the midfield and off halfback. Moore again impressed the hell out of me with some of his work around the packs. Keeps his wits and uses it very well. Phillips very lively up forward, works hard off the ball as well. White had one of his better games, strong hands and a good leap. Young top-up Monk did well in the forward line and kicked straight from his opportunities.

Just have to add that Belconnen are the biggest whingers when an umpiring decision goes against them.

Pretty much exactly what I was about to write.

Very impressed by Moore today. He was very clean with the ball, ran hard through the middle and took some strong marks in the forward 50 for his three goals. Flipper was lively but uncharacteristically wasteful in front of goal. And would it be possible for him to have a longer "walk-up" for his set shots?

Braba got a lot of the ball but still not convinced by him. So much of it he gets by hanging off the back of packs rather than going in and doing the hard stuff himself.

And White looks like he's done a lot of work on his marking over the past month. The last game at the SCG he couldn't hang onto anything. But today he read the ball very well and his hands looked clean and secure. Maybe a month ago he was still suffering from the after effects of his hand injury. I hope he comes on, because (as Stella mentioned on another thread) he's a big unit and his energy, work rate and enthusiasm are impressive.

**Robbo** · 2 September 2007, 06:27 PM

Has Brabazon improved since coming to the club?

He was drafted from the WAFL colts competition, which is a higher standard of footy than the "competition" he is currently playing in. Playing in a weaker league wouldn't be good for his development.

**swans song** · 2 September 2007, 06:34 PM

Brabazon is a link player or ball carrier and is runs all day.
Liz, your still not convinced yet he gets 30+ posessions (and mostly effective) a game.
What more does he need to do?
Will he be there next year given his 2 year contract is up?

**Old Royboy** · 2 September 2007, 06:46 PM

Will be writing report tonight. Good game.

**liz** · 2 September 2007, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by swans song

Brabazon is a link player or ball carrier and is runs all day.
Liz, your still not convinced yet he gets 30+ posessions (and mostly effective) a game.
What more does he need to do?
Will he be there next year given his 2 year contract is up?

Until / unless we get to see him play senior football we won't know how he'll stack up. But

- lots of guys rack up heaps of possessions playing in second-level leagues without having the tools to make it at AFL level. And the ACTAFL is not really even a second level league.

- his possessions are mostly effective in that they don't go to an opponent but they are rarely damaging. He doesn't possess penetration of kick compared to Moore, Schmidt, Thornton, Simpkin, Phillips, Jack, Barlow, Laidlaw

- to make it as a "seagull" at AFL level (ie someone who gets most of his possessions gifted out of packs to him) you have to either have super skills or be lightning quick, or both. He's decently paced but is slower than the likes of Simpkin, Jack and Phillips. And the latter two in particular aren't scared of going in to get the ball themselves, while Simpkin occasionally shows he knows how to use his pace to weave through traffic.

I hope I'm wrong, for his sake, but most of the guys running around out there in the early game won't make it as senior AFL players (just weight of numbers sadly) but all that I've mentioned look to have more obvious AFL weapons than Brabazon does.

***goswannie14*** · 2 September 2007, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by liz

Braba got a lot of the ball but still not convinced by him. So much of it he gets by hanging off the back of packs rather than going in and doing the hard stuff himself.

Originally posted by swans song

Brabazon is a link player or ball carrier and is runs all day.
Liz, your still not convinced yet he gets 30+ posessions (and mostly effective) a game.
What more does he need to do?
Will he be there next year given his 2 year contract is up?

Liz, whilst I haven't seen Barabazon play, I think it is a furphy to believe that every player has to be an "in and under" player. Every team needs at least one receiver who is always in the right place to receive a handball from in the pack.

Kevin Bartlett from Richmond was probably the most prominent of these in my time of watching footy. He played most of his games as a receiver who finished what he did impeccably.

To say someone doesn't get the ball himself is doing a disservice to the part that they play in the team.

**giant** · 2 September 2007, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Robbo

Has Brabazon improved since coming to the club?

He was drafted from the WAFL colts competition, which is a higher standard of footy than the "competition" he is currently playing in. Playing in a weaker league wouldn't be good for his development.

That's unlikely as they're all 17/18 yos. To give you an idea of how poor it is, I played Colts for Claremont.

**liz** · 2 September 2007, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by goswannie14

Liz, whilst I haven't seen Barabazon play, I think it is a furphy to believe that every player has to be an "in and under" player. Every team needs at least one receiver who is always in the right place to receive a handball from in the pack.

Kevin Bartlett from Richmond was probably the most prominent of these in my time of watching footy. He played most of his games as a receiver who finished what he did impeccably.

To say someone doesn't get the ball himself is doing a disservice to the part that they play in the team.

You're right. But I qualified that observation by pointing out that most successful receivers in the AFL are very quick and/or have super skills (ie Malceski level penetration on their delivery). And increasingly those players also are expected to do lots of chasing the other way - look at the way players like the Daveys, Dale Thomas, Pearce etc go in and tackle.

The closest we have to a Brabazon type receiver in the senior team at the moment is Fosdike. And admittedly he's not super quick nor are his skills top notch. But he also goes in and gets a lot of hard ball himself too. Everyone in the Swans' senior team is expected to do their share of burrowing. We may not all approve of that, but it is Roos' philosophy by the looks of things.