Not turning against Roos.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

After having more than a day to have a think about what happened 2 nights ago, i think a few of us, including myself, have been far too harsh of Roos, considering what he's been able to do with nothing more than a good list of players, in such a short ammount of time.

We waited 72 years to feel what it's like to win a flag, and he's the man who gave confidence to a few players who were at the crossroads. Kirk, Leo and Goodes for example. There's a good chance all 3 of those players never would've developed into the players they did, if it wasn't for Roos, and that can't be forgotten after one loss. Yes we're frustrated, yes Roos has made some errors in judgement, especially in regards to the development of our youngsters, but i think he's made more good choices than bad, and i'm not about to forget that.

I don't think Ball would've been the ruckman he was if it wasn't for Roos, and the same goes for Kennelly and C. Bolton, both key players in our successful run, and i believe next year we'll see a few more promising young players join the likes of Malceski and Barlow, as the future of our club. With players like Schmidt, Moore and J. White in the wings, we do have something to work with, and still have some champion players on our list too.

We wont know until 2008 unfolds, but i think we'll have a good year, a year when a few more of the young players on the fringe will be given many more chances to cement a spot, and 2009 is probably when we'll see a real changing of the guard. I trust that Roos will leave us in good hands, and i'm going to enjoy the ride.

[satchmopugdog]

Yep. More good than bad.

Have recovered enough now from Sat night to start giving cheek to some Collingwood friends. I messaged them to say I couldn't find Subiaco in my Melways and could they tell which part of central Melbourne Subi has been moved to.

So yes I agree. Let's just get on with it. I am sure glad we have Roos rather than Wallace. No-one ever gets everything right. He helped give me the greatest day of my life. He and the whole club have to work within a whole lot of constraints,i.e. the list he took over, the market they work within, blah blah. I'm sure glad it's not me. I have enough sleepless nights just coaching my Library moniters Netball team (they may not be able to catch and throw but boy can they play chess and write extended metaphors)

[Sanecow]

His Premiership credits are drying up as fast as Bevan's.

[reigning premier]

He's only got one more year until he leaves anyway.

Hope it's a better one than this year.

[Mike_B]

I don't think anyone is turning around and saying thsat Roos hasn't achieved much in his time with the club. The big issue that seems to be frustrating so many of us is his refusal to acknowledge that things aren't working as well as they once did and his unwillingness to start making changes now in order to prepare for the future.

[NMWBloods]

What he has achieved has not been only of his making. Let's not forget that but for some amazing luck and skill in the 2005 SF he would have achieved nothing special.

[CureTheSane]

I don't think anyone is turning around and saying thsat Roos hasn't achieved much in his time with the club. The big issue that seems to be frustrating so many of us is his refusal to acknowledge that things aren't working as well as they once did and his unwillingness to start making changes now in order to prepare for the future.

Just because he doesn't publicly state what changes he is making doesn't mean that he isn't making any.
I don't think he is that stupid that he is just going to trounce along as he has and not change anything.

[CureTheSane]

What he has achieved has not been only of his making. Let's not forget that but for some amazing luck and skill in the 2005 SF he would have achieved nothing special.

So Roos is the reason we had an average year, but big victories are a team effort?

I know that's not what you are implying, but that's what many here think I'd suggest....

[NMWBloods]

So Roos is the reason we had an average year, but big victories are a team effort?

I know that's not what you are implying, but that's what many here think I'd suggest....

I think good and bad are a mix of coach and players (and support staff). And that applies when we perform well and when we perform badly.

[swansrule100]

i think the frustrating thing with roos isnt the performance so much as the fact he is obsessed with some farewell tour to the players who won him the flag and will continue to talk them up and go on rather than make changes to the side.

I could accept the wooden spoon next year IF we are going in the right direction, changing personal and game styles etc, trying to mould a gun midfielder for instance.

[hammo]

i think the frustrating thing with roos isnt the performance so much as the fact he is obsessed with some farewell tour to the players who won him the flag and will continue to talk them up and go on rather than make changes to the side.

Spot on. They seem to think they can climb the heights again when the reality is they have fallen well off the pace (3 wins out of 11 against the top 8). Those deficiencies were laid bare on the weekend which makes it frustrating that the coach and players continue to live in a 2005 dreamland.

[connolly]

I think good and bad are a mix of coach and players (and support staff). And that applies when we perform well and when we perform badly.

But sucess has many fathers and failure is an orphan

[satchmopugdog]

But sucess has many fathers and failure is an orphan

Is that you Malthouse?

[NMWBloods]

But sucess has many fathers and failure is an orphan

For the Swans it often comes across that Roos is the father of success and the players are the father of failure!

[liz]

For the Swans it often comes across that Roos is the father of success and the players are the father of failure!

That is an interpretation that some here seem to have reached and from where I have no idea.

What evidence - in terms of quotes from anyone at the club - support this interpretation?