Is Goodes our only "elite" player?

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  • reigning premier
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Sep 2006
    • 4335

    #16
    Originally posted by ScottH
    Defenders rarely win votes.
    Touche!

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16758

      #17
      Originally posted by ScottH

      And yes, Goodes is our only current elite player. Showed by getting 3 votes, in a game where we were beaten all over the ground, by a better team, in Rnd 21.
      That was a game out of the bag by anyone's standards. Over on Hotrods' board, most Pie supporters were drooling over Goodes' performance that evening (content in the knowledge it had made no difference to the outcome).

      I remember a game at the WACA in 1996 against West Coast where the Swans were convincingly beaten but only in the final quarter (it marked the start of their run to the top). After that game I think it was Mick Malthouse who suggested that PK should just be given all 6 Brownlow votes.

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      • j s
        Think positive!
        • Jan 2003
        • 3303

        #18
        Originally posted by Annie Haddad
        Today. Yep.
        Five years time ... living legend (ala Bucks, Hird, Harvey, Crawford, et al).
        Living.....and hopefully still playing!

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        • Layby
          Suspended by the MRP
          • May 2006
          • 1803

          #19
          Originally posted by ScottH
          Defenders rarely win votes.

          Votes rarely win defenders

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          • Plugger46
            Senior Player
            • Apr 2003
            • 3674

            #20
            Originally posted by Sanecow
            Same goes for Lockett. But based on recent history, Brown, Franklin, Pavlich, Lloyd and Mooney etc etc are streets ahead. Franklin had ~30 goals and 35 tackles more than Hall this year.
            Not sure Mooney and especially Lloyd are 'streets ahead'

            The others definitely are, based on the last 12 months. But I reckon Lloyd is the only one who has been better over the journey.
            Bloods

            "Lockett is the best of all time" - Robert Harvey, Darrel Baldock, Nathan Burke, Kevin Bartlett, Bob Skilton

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            • Hazcam
              On the Rookie List
              • Jun 2007
              • 324

              #21
              Originally posted by Dr Diabolical
              I think C Bolton is probably an elite defender.

              Hall has been an elite forward for a few years (excluding this year).

              MOL was an elite player in his prime, but probably not any more.

              Kennelly would be an elite half back.

              Malceski has the potential to become the same.

              O'Keefe has the potential to become an elite half forward.

              Difficult to define Kirk - probably not elite because his disposal is a bit suspect.

              That's probably about it.

              I'd class Elite as the cream of the crop. As opposed to excellent or champion etc. So that means there are maybe 1-3 maximum per club classed as elite. As far as this year is concerned Goodes is our only elite player.

              Judd, Kerr, Cornes, Ablett, Brown, Riewoldt, Brown, Mcleod would probably be in that same classification.

              As far as players who have the potential to be "elite" or "the cream" from the Swans, I'd say O'Keefe, Malceski, Bolton.

              BBBBH was a notable ommission but in the last 3 years he has been elite although hasn't done the inspirational stuff like the Browns, Treadreas of this world for a big key forward.

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              • Hazcam
                On the Rookie List
                • Jun 2007
                • 324

                #22
                throw in kennelly and davis into that pot as well. kennelly when he's injury free for 2 seasons straight and davis when he's consistent and playing one position (half fwd).

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                • dread and might
                  Back, strapped and intact
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 949

                  #23
                  I'm happy with the "how many sides would they be a walk up start in?" with 15, not including their own being the cut off for "elite".
                  On that basis, Goodes, Kenelly maybe Bolton C
                  I wish my weed was EMO so it would cut itself

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                  • stellation
                    scott names the planets
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 9718

                    #24
                    Originally posted by dread and might
                    I'm happy with the "how many sides would they be a walk up start in?" with 15, not including their own being the cut off for "elite".
                    On that basis, Goodes, Kenelly maybe Bolton C
                    If that is the criteria then, love him or not understand football, Davis should be included.
                    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                    • AnnieH
                      RWOs Black Sheep
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 11332

                      #25
                      Originally posted by stellation
                      If that is the criteria then, love him or not understand football, Davis should be included.
                      C'mon Stella. Get a grip.
                      Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                      Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                      • Industrial Fan
                        Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 3317

                        #26
                        O'Keefe would be in that mix too.
                        He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                        • stellation
                          scott names the planets
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 9718

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                          C'mon Stella. Get a grip.
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • swantastic
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 7275

                            #28
                            Elite Players...Barring no injurys
                            Goodsey
                            ROK
                            Tiger
                            B2
                            Hall
                            Kirk
                            Not yet but only a matter of time
                            Melcho
                            Davo
                            Cheese
                            Has been
                            MOL
                            Leo
                            Spida
                            Possible
                            Jolly
                            Schmidt
                            JW
                            Babrazon
                            DOK
                            Demptser
                            Fossie
                            Laidlaw
                            I dont think ever will be
                            B1
                            Schneider
                            Monty
                            LRT
                            Benny
                            Bevan


                            Did i leave any one out?
                            Last edited by swantastic; 26 September 2007, 05:19 PM.
                            Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                            • AnnieH
                              RWOs Black Sheep
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 11332

                              #29
                              MickyO - has-a-been!!!!
                              Indeed.

                              Swantastic, I'm going to drop you again if you keep up talk like this.

                              Someone should tell him he's now a has-been. Go on. I dare you.

                              MOL's playing like a 22 year old trapped in a 30 year old body (kinda like me!!). Micky's got at least another two years (and maybe a bit) left in him.
                              Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                              Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                              • Cheer Squad
                                Sydney Swans
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 1948

                                #30
                                Originally posted by swantastic
                                Elite Players...Barring no injurys
                                Goodsey
                                ROK
                                Tiger
                                B2
                                Hall
                                Kirk
                                Not yet but only a matter of time
                                Melcho
                                Davo
                                Cheese
                                Has been
                                MOL
                                Leo
                                Spida
                                Possible
                                Jolly
                                Schmidt
                                JW
                                Babrazon
                                DOK
                                Demptser
                                I dont think ever will be
                                B1
                                Schneider
                                Monty
                                LRT
                                Benny
                                Bevan


                                Did i leave any one out?
                                How about Fosdike?

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