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  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #16
    I agree with Stella - I'd like to see Kennelly and Davis in the midfield. I'd like to see Malceski and Dempster at half back (they are both straight ahead players with nice kicks). I think Kennelly and Davis would be more creative and capable of getting the ball.
    Last edited by NMWBloods; 27 September 2007, 03:30 PM.
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    • Legs Akimbo
      Grand Poobah
      • Apr 2005
      • 2809

      #17
      Originally posted by Sanecow
      I'd like to see them both in the midfield but I'd hate to think what the defense would be like with Bevan, LRT and Leo trying to get the ball out .
      I think this runs counter to our overall game plan which is to catch teams on the overlap coming out of defence and/or run through the midfield from defence. As others have pointed out, our grafting midfield's role is to stop, not create. The engine of our team is in fact the defence, and what I mean by that is Goodes, Malceski, Kennelly and B2 running out of defence to forward of the centre and delivering by foot to a leading forward. This style particularly suits the small SCG.

      Moving our TWO best kicks and most creative players to the midfield as receivers would necessitate a complete overhaul of our game plan, moving to a more conventional structure, for better or worse.
      He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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      • swantastic
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2006
        • 7275

        #18
        Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
        Moving our TWO best kicks and most creative players to the midfield as receivers would necessitate a complete overhaul of our game plan, moving to a more conventional structure, for better or worse.
        Dont we need a new game plan,it might be worth a try but i would still prefere Tiger to remain in the back line and Melcho in the mid.
        Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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        • LRTs LoveChild
          Left Right Out
          • Jul 2007
          • 36

          #19
          The problem with moving Davis to the midfield is his lack of fitness to run a game out. Although with rotations, no one spends an entire game there anymone. But with Davis it weakens our forward line. I think he is just about our most dangerous forward. Saying that, he never gets kicked the ball such is our focus on Hall.

          If your looking for someone to move into the midfield, why not ROK. Can run all day, has a strong body, good user of the ball, nice kick and did I mention he can run all day? Then you have the same problem as with Davis, weakens an already under-performing forward line.

          Maybe I solved my own problem. Davis to the middle, ROK goes forward and they switch through the game resting up forward where they can demand a 2nd or 3rd best defender from the opposition.

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          • LRTs LoveChild
            Left Right Out
            • Jul 2007
            • 36

            #20
            Originally posted by Dr Diabolical

            I think he is a far more effective forward than a hal-arsed midfielder.
            So is Davis.

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            • Bloody Hell
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2006
              • 3085

              #21
              Originally posted by stellation
              I know I've said this before (but I'll assume that most people have me on ignore so they don't have to read about how good Nick Davis is), I think that Tadhg would be a greater success as a midfielder than Malceski. He has (or at least appears to in my eyes) a greater ball winning ability than Malceski,.................
              again there is no great shame in those numbers, you need to have people picking up unconstested possessions in football but it does show (I believe) that Tadhg has a greater ball winning ability... and thicker legs than ol' chicken Malceski but then the dilly of a pickle is that Tadhg is more versatile as a defender (can player on taller forwards) than Nick.
              I guess my main problem is for stoppages (we have a lot of them and I think we are generally quite dull at them!) and by moving Nick to the midfield I am assuming that they want him to play more of an outside outside midfielder, so be on the end of the second handball... which is great, but I think our missing outside midfielder is more an inside outside midfielder (so taking the second handball, not the third, or receiving the tap and doing something smart with it) and I think Tadhg would be better in that role and I also think that Nick is doing an excellent job in the role he is in right now (if it ain't broke...)
              I think the main point you miss is that Malcheski isn't the best defender (by saying isn't the best I'm being kind) while Tiger is quite serviceable. Say what you like about the HBF role...at the end of the day it's a defensive post. If you can't beat your man, you let the team down.
              The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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              • LRTs LoveChild
                Left Right Out
                • Jul 2007
                • 36

                #22
                You wanna know the sad thing there Dr D, you just described our entire midfield!!
                Last edited by LRTs LoveChild; 27 September 2007, 04:36 PM.

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                • stellation
                  scott names the planets
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 9718

                  #23
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  I think Kennelly and Davis would be more creative and capable of getting the ball.
                  Certainly, I finished the post and straight away thought "I could just be describing Davo" but then opted not to suggest him for fear of sounding like a broken record
                  Out of interest for the three it is the below

                  Player/Uncon:Con ratio/clearances per game
                  Davis/66:34/1.2
                  Kennelly/71:29/1
                  Malceski/79:21/0.7
                  I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                  We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                  • Bloody Hell
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3085

                    #24
                    Originally posted by stellation
                    Certainly, I finished the post and straight away thought "I could just be describing Davo" but then opted not to suggest him for fear of sounding like a broken record
                    Out of interest for the three it is the below

                    Player/Uncon:Con ratio/clearances per game
                    Davis/66:34/1.2
                    Kennelly/71:29/1
                    Malceski/79:21/0.7
                    I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wouldn't like to see Davis spend more time in the midfield. Is he too fat to run out games though?
                    The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                    • swantastic
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 7275

                      #25
                      Melcho and Davo into midfield,and FFS leave Tiger in defence.
                      Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                      • swantastic
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 7275

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Bloody Hell
                        I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wouldn't like to see Davis spend more time in the midfield. Is he too fat to run out games though?
                        Just because he carrys a few extra kilos doesnt mean he cant run out the games.
                        Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                        • Bloody Hell
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 3085

                          #27
                          Originally posted by swantastic
                          Just because he carrys a few extra kilos doesnt mean he cant run out the games.
                          You've obviously never played in the midfield at the elite level.

                          I think he would be best served as a true midfielder...not a forward who does stints in the midfield. He would kick at least 15-20 goals with a full year in there. Which is something we desperately need. A goal kicking midfielder. If Eski was added into the mix, all of a sudden we have a midfield that has to be defended .
                          The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                          • LRTs LoveChild
                            Left Right Out
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 36

                            #28
                            All the options and variations suggested here are valid and have merit. But here's a thought, why not try one of our supposed quality younger players that are getting squandered in the magoo's. Every year we draft these kids who are all apparently "highly regarded" but they never see the light of day. (the few exceptions making the rule ie Schmitt, Jack)

                            Instead of making a midfielder out of a HBF, why not pick someone we drafted specifically for that role.

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                            • stellation
                              scott names the planets
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 9718

                              #29
                              Almost every mid sized or under player that is drafted is essentially coming in as a midfielder nowadays anyway, though. I imagine that we drafted Malceski as a midfielder originally.
                              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                              • JudesaGun
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 554

                                #30
                                Malceski into the midfield has to be done.

                                But why do we need to draft a replacement HBF? Surely Laidlaw could slot right into that position in his absence??
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