AFL to launch 2nd team in Sydney

[thejones,s]

Masters is forever making false assumptions about the Swans and the louder he bleats you can bet the more worried he is about AFL's increasing popularity.

I'd like the 2nd team to work just so dinosaur leaguies like Masters are put in their place once and for all.

Some points that Masters never raises in his Swans / AFL bashing are:

- Most of our support comes from the eastern suburbs and north shore. That leaves millions in a largely untapped catchment area in the northwest and west.
- There are plenty of AFL supporters in Sydney who don't follow the Swans and even hate them. They follow Melbourne clubs and could be likely supporters for any new club.

As for his point about needing 90 new AFL players, I don't think it would too hard when you consider some of the names who are cut at the end of the season based on their age more than anything else (Woewoedin etc).

Just to review some points...


Most of our supporters come from silver side of sydney..what a complete load of garbage...myself and hundreds of others travel from the SOUTH WEST
for every home game..so before you shoot your mouth off get the facts,,

travel on a south bound trains after matches,,,

[goswannie14]

Wow - hundreds!

Does that mean that the other thousands come from the aforementioned areas?

[thejones,s]

like i said..get on a sth western train and see for yourselves how many people travel...

I know of some that even travel up frm south coast to every match

[goswannie14]

like i said..get on a sth western train and see for yourselves how many people travel...

I know of some that even travel up frm south coast to every match

How does that differ from Hammo's assertion that MOST Swans supporters come from the East and North of Sydney?

he didn't say all. He said most.

[hammo]

How does that differ from Hammo's assertion that MOST Swans supporters come from the East and North of Sydney?

he didn't say all. He said most.

Thanks GS14. My point exactly.

[Nico]

I repeat, how long will it take to get 30,000 members for a new Sydney team let alone 30,000 who will go to the games. Unless of course the AFL has surveyed the whole of the Western Suburbs and already have promises of 30,000 memberships.

If you can only get 2 sides in both Adelaide and Perth, 2 absolutely fanatical cities about their footy how in the heck can we expect to get another side in a non AFL city regardless of size, viable in the the foreseeable future. OK get a band of mercenaries together but they will get massively bigger floggings than the Bears ever got simply because the standard is so much better now.

Better to go for 3 sides both in Perth and Adelaide.

[CureTheSane]

absolutely essential to get a second team up and running ASAP

we've already lost momentum to league in the GC, and soccer will have a team up and running there AND western sydney before us

it will be a massive boost to the afl in sydney, including to the swans in many ways

more interest in the code in sydney means more interest in the swans
it will also keep the massive growth in tv revenue, corporate sponsorship and junior development

expand or die

I tend to agree.

Whilst there is always a risk involved, you'd have to say that having won the flag and attaining good crowd numbers, the time in now.

[thejones,s]

would like to know how you figure most come from the silvertail part of sydney...how about showing me the numbers that back up your ridiculous assertions,,,

[The Boot]

Well I've read all the posts .. yes, the venting has been done .. but face reality - this is business. Sydney IS the largest marketplace in the land. Any delay in meeting the challenges laid down squarely by the other football codes would be fiscal suicide. And think about it .. we are all stakeholders in the same business here.

Why else, for example, is the AFL in places like South Africa, other than knowing that there is great potential for growth. Of course, a new team will take some years to rise to the top - many years probably. But the spadework done by the bold Syd/Sth Melb experiment has been realised.

It's time to put press the pedal to the metal.

[Damien]

Worries me a little bit, but I think as long as the AFL are happy to fund it for years, then let's go for it, get a 2nd team in and let it grow naturally.

The AFL will have to be ridiculously aggressive in Western Sydney for this to work but if the money is around to support them through the first 5-10 years, then start now.

Going to take some work, especially in the Parra to Penrith area they seem to be targeting. I would have thought the South West area would have been a better initial target. (Mind you probably was the area they initially wanted until the Canterbury Stadium deal fell through thanks to the salary cap scandal)

[ernie koala]

Great news....It's about time! The swans should consolidate on the excellent supporter base, they already have, closer to town. The 2 games a season of cross town rivalry will be always much anticipated. And hopefully more games at our true home ground....The SCG.

[EMJ]

I have four children and three of them - live in the west area.
They said they would be pleased to have a team in their area.
They would support two teams and would find it good to have a team based in their area - they can follow as well

[mcs]

I just really think it would be a bad move currently to be honest but we will see what happens I guess. Not that I dont believe there isnt the room for two teams in Sydney but if I was the AFL i'd be being aggressive in the market but I wouldnt just plonk a team into Western Sydney just yet.

First and foremost I think the AFL needs to see the reaction to a downturn in the Swans results. Now you never know, we might just keep chugging along and never go through a real bad patch for a long while yet, as we have been one of the most consistent teams in the league for being in/around teh finals since '96, but its only 15 short years ago that we couldnt win a game and there was barely a soul at many a game. And the cyclical nature of AFL means that its more then likely that a leanish period is not far away. Im not saying it will get to the desperate position of the early 90's, but it would hardly be a good time in 2012 (I think it was 2012 wasnt it) when the second team is suppose to be going to start if we were in a bad trot and not getting the good crowds we have especially the last few years. We do have a far more secure fan base then back then I think, but it could still get fairly tight if we were to have 2 or 3 years of significantly lean times on the field. And if the AFL were to plonk a 2nd team in they could very well end up having to plough a lot of money not just into the new team but the established team. You only have to look at how long it took us to become even close to financially viable. It was a lot more then the 5 to 10 years that some people have suggested that a new western sydney team would need major support.

But as many have said, its already becoming a very crowded market place and if the AFL is going to move its got to move now. If it was me running the show, Id be looking for a 16 team long term comp, with the 2 qld sides, 2 wa, 2 sa, 1 Sydney, 1 Tasmania/Melbourne in the Hawks and 8 in Melbourne. This would ultimately mean the demise of a melbourne club but its going to happen sooner or later anyway I think.
I really think 18 teams is also unworkable- look at how much for those that follow the NRL putting in the Gold Coast has weakened the overall comp. As good as the storm were last year, I think it was one of the most mediocre competitions for a long time. Adding two extra teams to the AFL will stretch the talent pool further, and I dont think that is necessarily a good thing. And gee I would hate it if you only played each team once a season as well that would really suck and be too short a season. Id like to see it at about 25 rounds in that case, get rid of the Nab cup and then play everyone once and then 8 of the 17 other teams you play again. Would be far better then only playing 17 matches in the regular season + finals.

Thats the negative side, I do also agree that there is a positive side to the argument and that if the AFL is going to make a move then it has to happen now. Id love to see a successful 2nd club in Sydney, and I think it is fairly obvious that the move will have to happen sooner rather then later. But no matter when they make the move there are going to be winners and losers int he overall picture of the sporting teams in Sydney, and Id hate to see the AFL make a big mistake which would put both teams in perilious positions. I think there would be the support out there for a second team- and it doesnt necessarily have to come directly from the main supporter base in the western suburbs. There are plenty of people in Sydney who do like the swans for lots of reasons, and Im sure a lot of them would be more then prepared to support a 'true' sydney based team as such (Ie not a transplanted team from Melbourne).
But whether there is the overall levels currently or within the next 10 years to provide not only the fan support required but also the corporate backing it is excpetionally hard to say. And that of course is without taking into consideration the on field sucess or lack of of the new club They might be fine for the first few years while the novelty value is, but as any rugby league club in Sydney can show (it might be poorly run the NRL, but I dont think this is a symptom of that) if you arent getting the results on the field, fans can be very fickle. And with a stretched market already in major sporting teams in Sydney, there is only so far the $$$ in the fans pockets can go. If the second team can get going on the field fairly quickly by recruiting some big names and forming a good squad, then they might just make it work. But Iif they take anywhere near the time it took for the Swans to even grab a toehold in the sydney sports market then well it might be a gamble that doesnt pay off.

Wonder what the 2nd team will be called.... Western Sydney Wombats anybody?

[Goal Sneak]

I live near Penrith and have mixed feelings about a second team being introduced in as early as four years time. No matter what, I will always support the swans, and can't imagine supporting any other AFL team. When i first read about the proposal, i immediately thought it would be too soon. But if the AFL are prepared to give prolonged support, I can't see why they would wait until the right time ( at least 10 years IMO ). Surely they know they are going to have to spend ( alot of ) money to make money, and if they are still keen then best of luck.

[hammo]

would like to know how you figure most come from the silvertail part of sydney...how about showing me the numbers that back up your ridiculous assertions,,,

If I had access to the Swans' membership database I would show you. Over the years it has been widely reported where the core support base is located, from the club itself down. No-one is saying Swans supporters don't exist elsewhere, but the fact remains the majority of our support comes from the east and north shore.