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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16764

    #61
    Originally posted by NMWBloods
    The only one for Jack I recall is that he was thrown down on the half forward flank (when we were going left of screen on TV), it was around the ball but I don't recall if he had it or not, and when he hit the ground his head flung back into the ground.
    And has been pointed out, he went down twice, and came off the ground after each occasion.

    If he was "forceably driven into the ground" on the first occasion it should have been a free since he wasn't on the ball. I am not suggesting he was - but pointing out that it is not necessary for someone to be forceably driven into the ground for them to hit their head sufficiently hard on the ground for them to get mild concussion.

    The boundary rider reported that he (Jack) was asked by the bench what happened and he said he couldn't remember. So it sounds like he did hit his head reasonably hard.

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #62
      Probably could have been a free, but I'm not sure why that matters. He hit his head very hard indeed on the one I recall. I noted it during the match in the game thread - it was near the end.
      Last edited by NMWBloods; 5 April 2008, 11:18 AM.
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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      • liz
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        • Jan 2003
        • 16764

        #63
        It matters because someone has suggested that unless someone had their head forceably pushed into the ground, it is hard to imagine they would be injured sufficiently to force them off the ground. The inference being that Thomas couldn't possibly have hurt his head when he hit the ground and hence he MUST have got a whack from Goodes.

        I am merely pointing out that there is at least one other incident of a player being hurt enough to leave the ground after hitting his head on the turf who WASN'T "forceably driven into the ground".

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        • bedford
          forward coach
          • Nov 2007
          • 362

          #64
          Originally posted by stellation
          As it should have been a free to the Bulldogs when Chris Grant had sudden stomach cramps at the SCG years ago
          do you actually follow the swans?

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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #65
            Originally posted by liz
            It matters because someone has suggested that unless someone had their head forceably pushed into the ground, it is hard to imagine they would be injured sufficiently to force them off the ground. The inference being that Thomas couldn't possibly have hurt his head when he hit the ground and hence he MUST have got a whack from Goodes.

            I am merely pointing out that there is at least one other incident of a player being hurt enough to leave the ground after hitting his head on the turf who WASN'T "forceably driven into the ground".
            The Jack one - he was thrown backwards onto the ground and his head flung back into the ground with force. So his head wasn't directly forceably driven into the ground, but it was as a result of the force he was thrown onto the ground.
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • DeadlyAkkuret
              Veterans List
              • Oct 2006
              • 4547

              #66
              Originally posted by bedford
              do you actually follow the swans?
              I think he/she just follows Nick Davis

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              • ScottH
                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                • Sep 2003
                • 23665

                #67
                Originally posted by bedford
                do you actually follow the swans?
                With both his/her eyes.

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                • liz
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                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16764

                  #68
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  The Jack one - he was thrown backwards onto the ground and his head flung back into the ground with force. So his head wasn't directly forceably driven into the ground, but it was as a result of the force he was thrown onto the ground.

                  You seem to be reading selectively.

                  There were TWO separate "Jack incidents", one of which was not captured on TV.

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #69
                    Originally posted by liz
                    You seem to be reading selectively.

                    There were TWO separate "Jack incidents", one of which was not captured on TV.
                    I'm just commenting on the one I saw. I don't know what happened in the other and haven't seen a description of it.

                    I'm not sure of your point. Are you saying that on the other occasion Jack simply fell and was mildly concussed from just hitting his head on the ground?
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • liz
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                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16764

                      #70
                      If posts 48 and 61 don't already answer that question, nothing else I can write will.
                      Last edited by liz; 5 April 2008, 02:06 PM.

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #71
                        Okay - I re-read #48 and follow-up posts. I see your point, but given there is no indication of what happened to Jack in that case I can't see it as being indicative of players being knocked out just by falling over.
                        Last edited by NMWBloods; 5 April 2008, 02:14 PM.
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • ShockOfHair
                          One Man Out
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 3668

                          #72
                          So the pitch was at fault, just as Mark Williams predicted. Whodda thought?

                          I thought it was one of his pre-game sledges, like calling the Cats chokers.
                          The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                          • stellation
                            scott names the planets
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 9718

                            #73
                            Originally posted by bedford
                            do you actually follow the swans?
                            I do, why?
                            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                            • goswannie14
                              Leadership Group
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 11166

                              #74
                              Originally posted by stellation
                              I do, why?
                              He missed the smilie which indicated you were just having a bit of fun.
                              Does God believe in Atheists?

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                              • bedford
                                forward coach
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 362

                                #75
                                Originally posted by goswannie14
                                He missed the smilie which indicated you were just having a bit of fun.
                                i don't use them sorry.
                                i just reckon goodes has been bagged enough.

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