Goodes a protected species, says Matthews / The Moose to Blame?

[liz]

The only one for Jack I recall is that he was thrown down on the half forward flank (when we were going left of screen on TV), it was around the ball but I don't recall if he had it or not, and when he hit the ground his head flung back into the ground.

And has been pointed out, he went down twice, and came off the ground after each occasion.

If he was "forceably driven into the ground" on the first occasion it should have been a free since he wasn't on the ball. I am not suggesting he was - but pointing out that it is not necessary for someone to be forceably driven into the ground for them to hit their head sufficiently hard on the ground for them to get mild concussion.

The boundary rider reported that he (Jack) was asked by the bench what happened and he said he couldn't remember. So it sounds like he did hit his head reasonably hard.

[NMWBloods]

Probably could have been a free, but I'm not sure why that matters. He hit his head very hard indeed on the one I recall. I noted it during the match in the game thread - it was near the end.

[liz]

It matters because someone has suggested that unless someone had their head forceably pushed into the ground, it is hard to imagine they would be injured sufficiently to force them off the ground. The inference being that Thomas couldn't possibly have hurt his head when he hit the ground and hence he MUST have got a whack from Goodes.

I am merely pointing out that there is at least one other incident of a player being hurt enough to leave the ground after hitting his head on the turf who WASN'T "forceably driven into the ground".

[bedford]

As it should have been a free to the Bulldogs when Chris Grant had sudden stomach cramps at the SCG years ago

do you actually follow the swans?

[NMWBloods]

It matters because someone has suggested that unless someone had their head forceably pushed into the ground, it is hard to imagine they would be injured sufficiently to force them off the ground. The inference being that Thomas couldn't possibly have hurt his head when he hit the ground and hence he MUST have got a whack from Goodes.

I am merely pointing out that there is at least one other incident of a player being hurt enough to leave the ground after hitting his head on the turf who WASN'T "forceably driven into the ground".

The Jack one - he was thrown backwards onto the ground and his head flung back into the ground with force. So his head wasn't directly forceably driven into the ground, but it was as a result of the force he was thrown onto the ground.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

do you actually follow the swans?

I think he/she just follows Nick Davis

[ScottH]

do you actually follow the swans?

With both his/her eyes.

[liz]

The Jack one - he was thrown backwards onto the ground and his head flung back into the ground with force. So his head wasn't directly forceably driven into the ground, but it was as a result of the force he was thrown onto the ground.

You seem to be reading selectively.

There were TWO separate "Jack incidents", one of which was not captured on TV.

[NMWBloods]

You seem to be reading selectively.

There were TWO separate "Jack incidents", one of which was not captured on TV.

I'm just commenting on the one I saw. I don't know what happened in the other and haven't seen a description of it.

I'm not sure of your point. Are you saying that on the other occasion Jack simply fell and was mildly concussed from just hitting his head on the ground?

[liz]

If posts 48 and 61 don't already answer that question, nothing else I can write will.

[NMWBloods]

Okay - I re-read #48 and follow-up posts. I see your point, but given there is no indication of what happened to Jack in that case I can't see it as being indicative of players being knocked out just by falling over.

[ShockOfHair]

So the pitch was at fault, just as Mark Williams predicted. Whodda thought?

I thought it was one of his pre-game sledges, like calling the Cats chokers.

[stellation]

do you actually follow the swans?

I do, why?

[goswannie14]

I do, why?

He missed the smilie which indicated you were just having a bit of fun.

[bedford]

He missed the smilie which indicated you were just having a bit of fun.

i don't use them sorry.
i just reckon goodes has been bagged enough.