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  • Triple B
    Formerly 'BBB'
    • Feb 2003
    • 6999

    Mark Stone = genius ????

    Let's change the pace and talk about a positive.......

    Our midfield has smashed the opposition over the past few weeks, even with just one bona fide ruckman and a makeshift backup.

    McVeigh has gone from a nightmare to a real fair dinkum contributor. The young fellas have been given roles they have been able to succeed at, in Kizza/Cracker's case, spectacularly.

    Goodes' flashes of brilliance in the second quarter were from stoppage setups that Stone would be plotting.

    He obviously needs time to fully appreciate what our guys are capable of, he isn't exactly working with Judd, Cousins, Cox and Kerr here!!

    Early indications are he may well be every bit as good a recruit as Mattner.

    Thoughts???
    Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09
  • annew
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2006
    • 2164

    #2
    Who is Mark Stone???

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    • ScottH
      It's Goodes to cheer!!
      • Sep 2003
      • 23665

      #3
      Originally posted by annew
      Who is Mark Stone???
      Stoppage coach, who came from the eagles.

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      • ScottH
        It's Goodes to cheer!!
        • Sep 2003
        • 23665

        #4
        We've been smashed in the ruck contests 4 weeks in a row. But have won many more clearances, as well as 3.9 games.

        I'd say he is doing OK.

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #5
          Has anyone noticed any specific differences in our tactics at stoppages this year?

          One thing I have noticed is there is less emphasis on locking the ball up and forcing a ball up, and more on getting it out and moving forward.

          Another is that the midfielders are normally facing the ball rather than their man!
          Last edited by NMWBloods; 17 April 2008, 02:56 PM.
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • Xie Shan
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2003
            • 2929

            #6
            As a midfield coach,

            Mark Stone >>>>>> Ross Lyon. Nice to see some talent coming the other way for a change after suffering a 'brain drain' of sorts with assistant coaches (though I personally was glad to see Lyon go -- we needed a more proactive approach to the midfield)

            Makes a difference when your midfield is actually taught how to win the ball. Even if they're not in the class of Judd/Cousins/Kerr.
            Last edited by Xie Shan; 17 April 2008, 02:49 PM.

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            • liz
              Veteran
              Site Admin
              • Jan 2003
              • 16737

              #7
              I heard one commentator note - and I think it was in the Brions game - that the Swans seemed to be spreading out a bit more at stoppages. If so, it seems a bit odd that they've not tried this before around the ground, since it was observed a couple of seasons ago how good they were at spreading out at forward-50 stoppage - and there's no better example that Nick Davis' famous 4th.

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              • connolly
                Registered User
                • Aug 2005
                • 2461

                #8
                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                Has anyone noticed any specific differences in our tactics at stoppages this year?

                One thing I have noticed is there is less emphasis on locking the ball up and forcing a ball up, and more on getting it out and moving forward.

                Another is that the midfielders are normally facing the ball rather than their man!
                We now have a designated receiver who breaks from his opponent when the ball is contested. We are not matching up any differently or standing further from the contest. We just have a tweak in the roles of the midfielders. Jack in particular although he has been used as a defensive mid has also been given the role to break from his man if he's not directly involved in the contest. It creates more pace and quicker ball movement out of the breakdowns and the pack. Its working a treat.
                Bevo bandwagon driver

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                • stellation
                  scott names the planets
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 9718

                  #9
                  They do look to get the ball out a bit quicker and appear more willing to go to a wider/longer handball target from stoppages more frequently now.
                  I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                  We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                  • swantastic
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 7275

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Xie Shan
                    As a midfield coach,

                    Mark Stone >>>>>> Ross Lyon. Nice to see some talent coming the other way for a change after suffering a 'brain drain' of sorts with assistant coaches (though I personally was glad to see Lyon go -- we needed a more proactive approach to the midfield)

                    Makes a difference when your midfield is actually taught how to win the ball. Even if they're not in the class of Judd/Cousins/Kerr.
                    It doesnt matter if we dont have Judd/Cousins/Kerr,just as long as Stone can get the best out of our strengths to win us games.

                    A great team is always better than having great players.

                    If you have a great team it generally makes all the players look good.
                    Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                    • TheHood
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1938

                      #11
                      It's possible that Jack is the new SOS, Son Of Stone.

                      I think Keiran's primary instincts are to win the ball and at the same time he's ultra competitive so he multi-tasks unlike anything we've seen in AFL. He's put on a man to limit that man's influence but Keiran doesn't stop there.

                      Normally, you're either a ball winner or a stopper who can "get a bit of it".

                      Keiran has morphed from stopper with okay disposal into a ball winner who does a very good stopping job. This has made a massive difference to our success at stoppages in 2008.

                      It helps that he's a clean canvas and Stone can have maximum influence on a young player's strategy.

                      Jude - in form
                      Kirk - still a legend
                      Monty - will get better this year
                      Goodes - thrilling when he hits the pack at full tilt

                      Geelong will be doing their homework. We are their toughest test for 2008.
                      The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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                      • Triple B
                        Formerly 'BBB'
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6999

                        #12
                        Originally posted by liz
                        I heard one commentator note - and I think it was in the Brions game - that the Swans seemed to be spreading out a bit more at stoppages. If so, it seems a bit odd that they've not tried this before around the ground, since it was observed a couple of seasons ago how good they were at spreading out at forward-50 stoppage - and there's no better example that Nick Davis' famous 4th.
                        It's all about our mindset at stoppages. We are now appear more attacking and the obvious reason is Stone is having a major influence. We no longer look to lock it up and force another stoppage.

                        As you say, 'that goal' was a perfect example, but that stoppage setup was borne out of necessity. If the same situation occurred in the second quarter, B1 would have been diving on top of the ball with Ablett diving on top of him to make a good job of killing it.
                        Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BBB
                          If the same situation occurred in the second quarter, B1 would have been diving on top of the ball with Ablett diving on top of him to make a good job of killing it.
                          And Mathews on top of him and Crouch on top of him and Kirk on top of him... And Davo waving at the crowd!
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • satchmopugdog
                            Bandicoots ears
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 3691

                            #14
                            I commented on the warmup at Telstra Dome after our round 1 clash with the SAints that the warm up was distinclty different as regards the clearance drills. They were practising run through stuff and I saw the players trying to use it in the game. Obviously it gets stopped by the varigeties of the game but I was excited to see the difference then and pleased that I wasn't imagining things.
                            "The Dog days are over, The Dog days are gone" Florence and the Machine

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                            • stellation
                              scott names the planets
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 9718

                              #15
                              A lot of the tight spacing/checking at stoppages may simply have been that the coaching staff didn't believe they had the cattle in the midfield to spread things out more. The whole drab four/cortinas thing.
                              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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