I was a failed Blood Brother: Inside the Swans Inner Circle

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  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9720

    I was a failed Blood Brother: Inside the Swans Inner Circle

    Does anyone else think it would be an interesting story? The club has been pretty successful running as a (seemingly) boy's club but they do seem to have racked up some collateral damage along the way. Spriggs, Scooter, Chambers, Willoughby, Schauble, Davis, Hall(?) can all tell a tale or two of the inner sanctum I'm sure.

    Do the ends justify the means?
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time
  • ROK Lobster
    RWO Life Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 8658

    #2
    Originally posted by stellation
    Does anyone else think it would be an interesting story? The club has been pretty successful running as a (seemingly) boy's club but they do seem to have racked up some collateral damage along the way. Spriggs, Scooter, Chambers, Willoughby, Schauble, Davis, Hall(?) can all tell a tale or two of the inner sanctum I'm sure.

    Do the ends justify the means?
    We won a premiership in 2005 FFS! Of course it does. In fact, I am pretty sure that Brett Kirk was responsible for the first 3 as well.

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    • stellation
      scott names the planets
      • Sep 2003
      • 9720

      #3
      I think it is swan-@@@@ing-tastic, as the great minds say, that the club won a premiership in 2005. Swantastic!

      Quite a few failed bodies falling by the wayside, though. Same as any club I guess. Is it possible that the Swans, Paul Roos included, aren't perfect?
      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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      • DST
        The voice of reason!
        • Jan 2003
        • 2705

        #4
        Originally posted by stellation
        Does anyone else think it would be an interesting story? The club has been pretty successful running as a (seemingly) boy's club but they do seem to have racked up some collateral damage along the way. Spriggs, Scooter, Chambers, Willoughby, Schauble, Davis, Hall(?) can all tell a tale or two of the inner sanctum I'm sure.

        Do the ends justify the means?
        Oh please Spriggs, Chambers and Scooter were not good enough to play regular senior football, that's a fact. We will never know about Willoughby but the club gave him plenty of opportunity to prove himself and the football department decided he wasn't up to it.

        Schauble's body let him down nothing else.

        If it is a boys club then it's highly likely Davis would never have played with us and Hall obiviously has personal issues at present which means the club can not be sure putting him out on the field will not result in him seriously hurting someone.

        None of this has anything to do with a boys club.

        It's an overall team (players and footy department) that has set high standards and will not for anyone allow those to be flaunted from within.

        DST
        "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #5
          Spriggs won a B&F in the reserves - he obviously improved a lot. Maybe he was ready for another go (after all Buchanan and Kirk were not ready at first) and he only played 5 games with us.
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • stellation
            scott names the planets
            • Sep 2003
            • 9720

            #6
            Originally posted by DST
            Oh please Spriggs, Chambers and Scooter were not good enough to play regular senior football, that's a fact.
            Chambers and Scooter may be fair, but I do think Spriggs got a bit of a rough deal in his last year.
            Originally posted by DST
            Schauble's body let him down nothing else.
            I honestly don't think that was the case.

            But in general I'm just being an arse. I still think an inside story would be very, very interesting. It'd be the same for most clubs.
            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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            • ROK Lobster
              RWO Life Member
              • Aug 2004
              • 8658

              #7
              Originally posted by stellation
              I honestly don't think that was the case.
              He had grey hair.

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              • DST
                The voice of reason!
                • Jan 2003
                • 2705

                #8
                Originally posted by stellation
                Chambers and Scooter may be fair, but I do think Spriggs got a bit of a rough deal in his last year.

                I honestly don't think that was the case.

                But in general I'm just being an arse.
                We could argue about Spriggs, I saw it as a choice between him and Fosdike (both elite runners) and in end Fosdike had better disposal skills so he stayed. It's telling that not even Carlton game him a go after we cut him so that says something.

                Schauble is on record as saying that his body would not have allowed him to play back to back games in 2005 at senior level, let alone another season. I would have loved to see both Schuable and Maxfield play in the GF in 2005 (they deserved it) but we would never have won that game with both of them in it.

                DST
                "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                • stellation
                  scott names the planets
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 9720

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                  He had grey hair.
                  Well that's true, he did.

                  Took a screamer of a pack mark in his last game, don't see too many frail old men doing that.
                  I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                  We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                  • ROK Lobster
                    RWO Life Member
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 8658

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DST
                    I would have loved to see both Schuable and Maxfield play in the GF in 2005 (they deserved it) but we would never have won that game with both of them in it.

                    DST
                    No one is saying that Maxfield should have played

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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9720

                      #11
                      Schauble > Maxfield.
                      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                      • DST
                        The voice of reason!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2705

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                        No one is saying that Maxfield should have played
                        No they arn't but the thread intimates that playing spots and team selection is based on who is in a club and who is not.

                        That is clearly not the case otherwise players like Schuable and Maxfield would have played on in 2005.

                        It irks me no end when people infer that this club is run as a boys club. It is clearly not as everyone has a chance to have their say about how they beleive they can get the best out of themselves individually and as a team.

                        In case you have not noticed this method has been adopted by Geelong and now the Western Bulldogs and from all available feedback looks to be extremely succesfull if the club in question is able to have everyone accept the structure.

                        DST
                        "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                        • stellation
                          scott names the planets
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 9720

                          #13
                          When did Schaubs go on record to say that he couldn't play back to back games? I heard he was quite dissapointed with the way things went in 2005 as far as the selection table.
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • DST
                            The voice of reason!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 2705

                            #14
                            Originally posted by stellation
                            When did Schaubs go on record to say that he couldn't play back to back games? I heard he was quite dissapointed with the way things went in 2005 as far as the selection table.
                            He was open about it at the dinner after the grand final when he talked to us.

                            We specfically said to him that we would have loved to see him out there and he said he wanted to, but it was never going to be due the problems he had with his legs.

                            DST
                            "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                            • stellation
                              scott names the planets
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 9720

                              #15
                              Gotcha. I certainly heard otherwise.
                              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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