Captain Smirk rides again

[T-bag]

Or perhaps not...

I've seen nothing to the contrary. If you have evidence otherwise, perhaps you should post it on here under your real name? Why try and paint someone with a tarnished brush when you don't provide any proof? A bit unfair I think.

edit: Sorry mate. I may have attacked you personally a bit much there. But my point is people shouldn't post BS and that goes for everyone not just you mate.

[T-bag]

Well - do the other clubs hang their own out to dry so publicly like the Swans do? (as we dont get the melbourne or other state coverage up here I dont know) and dont call me mate!

No generally the players down south realise they have done something wrong and come out and admit it themselves. eg Shanon Grant. and as for the "mate" hissy fit... grow up princess

[T-bag]

Spot on there Wardy every body has their mental moments,but most people dont belt other people when this happens.

I'm sure the majority of people think before they act which is a good thing but can be a bad thing also.

I dont believe Hall's private life should be out there at all it should all be in house stuff. IMO even his own team mates shouldnt have to know every detail its none of their bloody business.

The only stuff that should be out there is football stuff only.

Now all of this is the most sensible stuf written in this thread. The club is to blame. Not Kirky as is inferred in the opening post.

But I would have to say that yes it is no one else's business, however private stuff gets around footy clubs unfortunately.

[timthefish]

however private stuff gets around footy clubs unfortunately.

and because of rumour-mills such as this little corner. the club has presented enough factual information to keep most rumours at bay but very little information that actually intrudes on hall's privacy. it was already a public observation that not all is right in his head and that has been confirmed by the club without them giving away specifics.

this thread reminded me of this quote by w. churchill.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject"

[ROK Lobster]

I have no problem with Kirk speaking to the media - he is a club captain. I have no problems with him criticising Hall's actions, though I personally do not think that Hall took a swing, so much as tried to use his forearm to forcibly push Wakelin away, and the straightening of his arm looked worse than it was. What annoys me are comments like:

"One of the main things I said to him was he has to take responsibility for what's happened," Kirk said at the SCG.

"He has to put his hand up and admit that his actions aren't acceptable and it's not acceptable at our footy club and he needs to do something about it.

"When he does that, I'm sure he'll be able to work through (them).

and

"Football's not here forever ... and your reputation's one thing that he needs to keep intact," he said.

"And I'm sure, I believe, he can work through these challenges ... and come out on the other side."

and

"I think that's why he's come out and said he was pushed because I don't know if he realises what he's actually done, which says to me there's something going on that he needs to work through."

Club psychologist Grant Brecht will decide when Hall plays again.

But Kirk conceded it would be difficult to ever say with certainty that Hall had changed enough to guarantee he could take the field without reoffending.

"It's not a black-and-white thing. You can't say 'ok, you can tick this exact box and everything will be fine

So Roos comes out and says its up to the club psychologist to say what is going on with Hall, Hall does too, but club guru Kirk knows all about it. He has a cure (it's about taking responsibility for your actions - if only all of life's trials were so easily dealt with), a few words of wisdom about life after football (I guess he knows, his career has already ended once), and although the club psychologist - who probably has some qualification - will work with Hall but Kirk knows a leopard can't change its spots (regardless of whether a Swan is atop your totem pole).

As I said, I have no problem with Kirk criticising Hall's actions, for publicly stating that Hall's behaviour was unacceptable. It's the pop-psychology and pearls of wisdom that ring self-indulgent to me, to the point of artificiality.

I think this year that Kirk has been Sydney's best player by a country mile. I also think he is full of crap. I am sure he believes in himself, but I also think that he has read too much of his own press. The self-appointed guru of the secret order of the bloods persona is becoming too much.

[dimelb]

I think this year that Kirk has been Sydney's best player by a country mile. I also think he is full of crap. I am sure he believes in himself, but I also think that he has read too much of his own press. The self-appointed guru of the secret order of the bloods persona is becoming too much.

I got back yesterday from a break on the Costa Lantana, where we saw the news and the interview, and I predicted to mrs d the origin and content of this thread. ROK, you're entitled to your opinion, but this to me is way over the top. I think Kirk is simply expressing his view in the language he knows, and I agree with him and see him as a reasonable man and a fine leader. Up himself? No way.

[CureTheSane]

I got back yesterday from a break on the Costa Lantana, where we saw the news and the interview, and I predicted to mrs d the origin and content of this thread. ROK, you're entitled to your opinion, but this to me is way over the top. I think Kirk is simply expressing his view in the language he knows, and I agree with him and see him as a reasonable man and a fine leader. Up himself? No way.

I'd say that ROK was presenting a perception that he has.
And I understand that perception, but don't completely agree with it.
However, if one (or more) people are feeling that way, then there is the possibility of that perception growing if the style of comments continue from Kirk.

Much the same way that Roos is regarded by many as being arrogant rather than relaxed and stress free.

BTW, I always thought you were a female - 'Di' who lives in Melbourne.
Sorry about that

[Alison]

I like the way the Kangaroos have handled the Shannon Grant matter and have not mutter a word to the media. The media will also turn things around to get a better story. With Hall, I did not think there was any need for Roosey and Kirky to go on about Hally seeing a psych and having to accept responsibility (which I believe he does). Just think things are better being dealt with inhouse. Kirky can go overboard sometimes with his "spiritual" side.

[goswannie14]

I have no problem with Kirk speaking to the media - he is a club captain. I have no problems with him criticising Hall's actions, though I personally do not think that Hall took a swing, so much as tried to use his forearm to forcibly push Wakelin away, and the straightening of his arm looked worse than it was.

I agree completely with you on this ROK. It never looked like a swing to me on the night or later on tv.

[DST]

I like the way the Kangaroos have handled the Shannon Grant matter and have not mutter a word to the media. The media will also turn things around to get a better story. With Hall, I did not think there was any need for Roosey and Kirky to go on about Hally seeing a psych and having to accept responsibility (which I believe he does). Just think things are better being dealt with inhouse. Kirky can go overboard sometimes with his "spiritual" side.

When have they gone overboard?

They have both given one interview each on the subject (Sunday and Monday) and left it at that.

They have not announced what the personal issues are nor have they confirmed what Hall will be required to do to get back playing, which is personal information to Hall.

All the rumour, inuendo, column space and diatribe come from the media and us here on RWO.

Both the coach and the captain (x3) were entitled to outline their response to Saturday night and reason sfor why they told Hall to spend a couple of days away from the club.

DST

[DST]

I agree completely with you on this ROK. It never looked like a swing to me on the night or later on tv.

Not the point, did you see Solomon yesterday?

The arm/elbow was raised and it was aimed at his head.

If it had connected Hall would not be playing for the rest of the year the same as Solomon.

DST

[CureTheSane]

Solomon obviously has mental health issues.

He should be indefinitely suspended from the club.

Compared to Hall flinging his arm in the heat of the moment, Solomon clearly premeditated his elbow and made a blatant attack.

Maybe he has girl issues

[swan_song]

Not the point, did you see Solomon yesterday?DST

You can take the boy out of Essendon, but you can't take Essendon from the boy...

[ROK Lobster]

Not the point, did you see Solomon yesterday?

The arm/elbow was raised and it was aimed at his head.

If it had connected Hall would not be playing for the rest of the year the same as Solomon.

DST

Bull@@@@. The way I see it, Hall was pushing Wakelin away, and extended his arm in the process. Contact was spread across the length of his forearm. He was standing more or less still. Solomon had his full body weight behind him, running at almost full speed and all impact was concentrated in the point of his elbow. Chalk and cheese. Solomon's "strike" was much more like Hall's hit on Staker imo.

[Rob-bloods]

I like the way the Kangaroos have handled the Shannon Grant matter and have not mutter a word to the media. The media will also turn things around to get a better story.

In fairness no-one knew what happened with Grant. There was no coverage in fact many callers rang SEN to say that were at the golf day and saw nothing untoward. BBBH's issues have been totally lived out in the media, Kylie Tahli Staker Boxing etc etc not his fault but the way it is.

As for Kirk'y commenting it is indeed the captain's position to speak on these matters and Kirk is not 'holier than thou' he is simply Kirk..different.

I'd say frankly that he is well qualified to comment, merely on the basis of his effort vs Pies compared to Barry's abysmal showing!

Surely the point on commenting is the fact that club will not accept behaviour that tarnishes the club and are prepared to speak out.

Would we rather the weak deceitful Weagles efforts, cover up whilst it suits...