Davis and Roos: A Happy Ending.

**connolly** · 14 July 2008, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Bloody Hell

Surprised there isn't a Davis thread on the main board - so here it is!

100% agree with this, though this cannot be done by Nick Davis.

Roos has to express regret for the way things have panned out and let Nick know, in front of the other players, that he is to start and play in the forward 50 and along with Micky O - is to take the game by the throat and do everything in his power to win it for the Swans. (I don't expect this to happen).

He is a confidence player. If he was recalled to the seniors - it would be as a last resort, seemingly without the confidence of the coach.

No player would play well under those conditions, least of all Nick Davis.

Everyone at the Swans seems be be toeing the line of "the ball is in Davis' court." I don't believe this to be the case. The next move is with Roos.

Whatever bug he has up his arse with regard to Davis, I hope he gets over quickly. He is an above average player - I would hate to see him at another club.

I am a fan of Davis and Roos. This situation is a debacle. Nick Davis is in the best 22 at our club.

The situation looks like it will end Davis' time at our club....and his club.

I wouldn't be surprised if down the road it was a factor in ending Roos' time at the club as well.

Once again its the coaches fault! So the career of a premiership coach is in jeopardy because a diffident soft player dining out on one amazing quarter three years ago fails to apply discipline and focus to his game and is discarded. Right. This is what happens to premiership coaches, doesn't it? Roos outstanding performance as a coach will be forever tarnished as is Malthouse because they apparently couldn't get the best out of the boy genius. Mate take a cold shower.

**hammo** · 14 July 2008, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by connolly

Once again its the coaches fault! So the career of a premiership coach is in jeopardy because a diffident soft player dining out on one amazing quarter three years ago fails to apply discipline and focus to his game and is discarded. Right. This is what happens to premiership coaches, doesn't it? Roos outstanding performance as a coach will be forever tarnished as is Malthouse because they apparently couldn't get the best out of the boy genius. Mate take a cold shower.

Just as Roos gets praised for the 'no one individual is bigger than the team' approach, so too should he be criticised for his arrogance in refusing to select a player who is clearly inside the best 22.

His comments after yesterday's game that our forward line was "potent" were laughable. And as NMWBloods has pointed out elsewhere, his using of the forward line to hide injured or out of form players (Kennelly, LRT) hardly increases the potency of our forward line.

I said elsewhere that without Hall and Davis, our forward line is one of the weakest in the competition and there is nothing I saw yesterday to change that view. I don't know what game Roos was watching.

**connolly** · 14 July 2008, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by hammo

Just as Roos gets praised for the 'no one individual is bigger than the team' approach, so too should he be criticised for his arrogance in refusing to select a player who is clearly inside the best 22.

His comments after yesterday's game that our forward line was "potent" were laughable. And as NMWBloods has pointed out elsewhere, his using of the forward line to hide injured or out of form players (Kennelly, LRT) hardly increases the potency of our forward line.

I said elsewhere that without Hall and Davis, our forward line is one of the weakest in the competition and there is nothing I saw yesterday to change that view. I don't know what game Roos was watching.

Our problem is in the midfield and too much is placed on the half back runners to keep the joint ticking. Malthouse has proved that if our half backs are closed down our mids are simply unable to generate enough penetration and quality ball to set up winning scores. We have never recovered from the loss of Williams and desperately need a very quick and very long kick in the midfield. This is not Davo. Maybe with a fit Fossie back we can at least get some run going. With Bevo put right in the midfield stoppage mix (tough, good hands and tremendous tackler) and Goodsey standing off the pack instead of trying to run through them we might get some more thrust.

**ROK Lobster** · 14 July 2008, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by connolly

We have never recovered from the loss of Williams and desperately need a very quick and very long kick in the midfield.

With Bevo put right in the midfield stoppage mix (tough, good hands and tremendous tackler)

How does this make sense?

**Frog** · 14 July 2008, 09:30 AM

I wouldn't want someone sitting in the cubicle next to me waiting for someone to give him/her something to do. There is plenty of work to be done and no matter what industry you are in, you know what is expected of you - if you know your job. If not, I expect my boss to deal with it. I would be pissed off with my boss if he didn't.

Davo is clearly not in our best 22. If Roos doesn't leave him out until he is prepared to pull his weight and do what he was hired for, I'll be pissed off with Roos.

**hammo** · 14 July 2008, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by connolly

Our problem is in the midfield and too much is placed on the half back runners to keep the joint ticking. Malthouse has proved that if our half backs are closed down our mids are simply unable to generate enough penetration and quality ball to set up winning scores. We have never recovered from the loss of Williams and desperately need a very quick and very long kick in the midfield. This is not Davo. Maybe with a fit Fossie back we can at least get some run going. With Bevo put right in the midfield stoppage mix (tough, good hands and tremendous tackler) and Goodsey standing off the pack instead of trying to run through them we might get some more thrust.

I agree with what you say about Williams and the general problem being with the midfield. I do think we've missed Fosdike's contributions this season as he's a very underrated player for us.

You have put words in my mouth though because I have never suggested Davis be brought back to play a midfield role. My point is that when we were forward yesterday we didn't look dangerous as at all, whereas the Hawks looked like they would score from every entry inside 50.

I'm not against Bevan moving into the midfield but I think we need our most skilful players there, not necessarily our hardest nuts. In saying that I was very impressed with bevo's general play yesterday in particular his kicking.

**stellation** · 14 July 2008, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by connolly

Once again its the coaches fault! So the career of a premiership coach is in jeopardy because a diffident soft player dining out on one amazing quarter three years ago fails to apply discipline and focus to his game and is discarded. Right. This is what happens to premiership coaches, doesn't it? Roos outstanding performance as a coach will be forever tarnished as is Malthouse because they apparently couldn't get the best out of the boy genius. Mate take a cold shower.

Dashing another person's post as starstruck fandom then promptly making your own post about Bevan seems a tad rich.

**ROK Lobster** · 14 July 2008, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Frog

I wouldn't want someone sitting in the cubicle next to me waiting for someone to give him/her something to do. There is plenty of work to be done and no matter what industry you are in, you know what is expected of you - if you know your job. If not, I expect my boss to deal with it. I would be pissed off with my boss if he didn't.

Davo is clearly not in our best 22. If Roos doesn't leave him out until he is prepared to pull his weight and do what he was hired for, I'll be pissed off with Roos.

And yet he last game he played, Luke Darcy (I think that is who is was - and it might have been the Cats game) was commenting that Davis had showed real endeavour and that the club should be pleased with his efforts. It is hard to tell on TV but even though I did not think that Davo was brilliant last time out, I don't think he was not having a go.

***goswannie14*** · 14 July 2008, 09:40 AM

Congratulations connolly, you have once again hijacked a thread about Nick Davis to make it about Paul Bevan.

Please keep threads on topic.

I agree with the original premise, that it is up to the coach (as the leader or boss of the team) to ensure relationships are right with the employees. When I am in that situation that is what is expected from me.

I also agree with Frog, that if someone is not doing their job they should be corrected, in this case by the coach. However, the coach cannot keep saying "the ball is in Davo's court", it is Roos responsibilty to ensure that things are right with Nick Davis, Roos has already failed his responsibility with Barry Hall he looks to be doing the same with Davis.

I am a fan of Roos, but I believe he is starting to fail with his responsibilities as the leader of the playing group at the club. It may well be that, as he has said, he is not a career coach, and his mind is elsewhere at the moment. I don't know what the real answer is, I'm as confused about it as everyone else here.

**stellation** · 14 July 2008, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Frog

I wouldn't want someone sitting in the cubicle next to me waiting for someone to give him/her something to do. There is plenty of work to be done and no matter what industry you are in, you know what is expected of you - if you know your job. If not, I expect my boss to deal with it. I would be pissed off with my boss if he didn't.

I guess it just depends on what that person was hired to do.

**connolly** · 14 July 2008, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by ROK Lobster

How does this make sense?

We need someone to help Kirky get the bloody thing out of the breakdown. Bevo is tough enough and has good clean handling to do it. We shouldn't use Goodsey as a front end loader in the packs ( 195 plus and a 100 k does damage but will keep him on the sidelines courtesy of the judiciary) but have him play as a runner off the fringes (where he won a brownlow) This might help until the Vez or someone emerges as the explosive skilfull quick midfielder that Willo was and we have never replaced.

**ROK Lobster** · 14 July 2008, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Frog

I wouldn't want someone sitting in the cubicle next to me waiting for someone to give him/her something to do. There is plenty of work to be done and no matter what industry you are in, you know what is expected of you - if you know your job. If not, I expect my boss to deal with it. I would be pissed off with my boss if he didn't.

My question is: What goes on in the toilets where you work Frog?

**connolly** · 14 July 2008, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by goswannie14

Congratulations connolly, you have once again hijacked a thread about Nick Davis to make it about Paul Bevan.

Please keep threads on topic.

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Well i'm not confused. The original post attacked Roos as a coach. I defended his record and suggested a modest solution to our problem of not kicking winning scores. Perhaps we should ask the Pope to beatify our little martyr - arise St Nick?

**ScottH** · 14 July 2008, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by stellation

I guess it just depends on what that person was hired to do.

Hopefully as much as you do!!

Originally posted by ROK Lobster

My question is: What goes on in the toilets where you work Frog?

Who ever is in th next cubicle, they are obviously not pulling their weight!!

Davis and Roos: A Happy Ending.

Davis and Roos: A Happy Ending.

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