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  • Bloody Hell
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2006
    • 3085

    Davis and Roos: A Happy Ending.

    Surprised there isn't a Davis thread on the main board - so here it is!

    Originally posted by DST
    You know what the difference is?

    Yes Nathan Brown doesn't chase, but when the ball is in his area he will move to the contest and once there get involved to win the ball.

    Davis on the otherhand is too happy to trot over stand to the side of the contest and call for the ball.

    Go back to the 2005 SF, what made Davis a great player in that quarter is that got to the contest and then wanted the ball.

    Until he rediscovers this type of attribue he won't play senior football.

    I hope he does, becuase we are a far better side with him in it doing what he should be doing.

    DST
    100% agree with this, though this cannot be done by Nick Davis.

    Roos has to express regret for the way things have panned out and let Nick know, in front of the other players, that he is to start and play in the forward 50 and along with Micky O - is to take the game by the throat and do everything in his power to win it for the Swans. (I don't expect this to happen).

    He is a confidence player. If he was recalled to the seniors - it would be as a last resort, seemingly without the confidence of the coach.

    No player would play well under those conditions, least of all Nick Davis.

    Everyone at the Swans seems be be toeing the line of "the ball is in Davis' court." I don't believe this to be the case. The next move is with Roos.

    Whatever bug he has up his arse with regard to Davis, I hope he gets over quickly. He is an above average player - I would hate to see him at another club.

    I am a fan of Davis and Roos. This situation is a debacle. Nick Davis is in the best 22 at our club.

    The situation looks like it will end Davis' time at our club....and his club.

    I wouldn't be surprised if down the road it was a factor in ending Roos' time at the club as well.
    The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.
  • connolly
    Registered User
    • Aug 2005
    • 2461

    #2
    Originally posted by Bloody Hell
    Surprised there isn't a Davis thread on the main board - so here it is!


    100% agree with this, though this cannot be done by Nick Davis.

    Roos has to express regret for the way things have panned out and let Nick know, in front of the other players, that he is to start and play in the forward 50 and along with Micky O - is to take the game by the throat and do everything in his power to win it for the Swans. (I don't expect this to happen).

    He is a confidence player. If he was recalled to the seniors - it would be as a last resort, seemingly without the confidence of the coach.

    No player would play well under those conditions, least of all Nick Davis.

    Everyone at the Swans seems be be toeing the line of "the ball is in Davis' court." I don't believe this to be the case. The next move is with Roos.

    Whatever bug he has up his arse with regard to Davis, I hope he gets over quickly. He is an above average player - I would hate to see him at another club.

    I am a fan of Davis and Roos. This situation is a debacle. Nick Davis is in the best 22 at our club.

    The situation looks like it will end Davis' time at our club....and his club.

    I wouldn't be surprised if down the road it was a factor in ending Roos' time at the club as well.
    Once again its the coaches fault! So the career of a premiership coach is in jeopardy because a diffident soft player dining out on one amazing quarter three years ago fails to apply discipline and focus to his game and is discarded. Right. This is what happens to premiership coaches, doesn't it? Roos outstanding performance as a coach will be forever tarnished as is Malthouse because they apparently couldn't get the best out of the boy genius. Mate take a cold shower.
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    • hammo
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2003
      • 5554

      #3
      Originally posted by connolly
      Once again its the coaches fault! So the career of a premiership coach is in jeopardy because a diffident soft player dining out on one amazing quarter three years ago fails to apply discipline and focus to his game and is discarded. Right. This is what happens to premiership coaches, doesn't it? Roos outstanding performance as a coach will be forever tarnished as is Malthouse because they apparently couldn't get the best out of the boy genius. Mate take a cold shower.
      Just as Roos gets praised for the 'no one individual is bigger than the team' approach, so too should he be criticised for his arrogance in refusing to select a player who is clearly inside the best 22.

      His comments after yesterday's game that our forward line was "potent" were laughable. And as NMWBloods has pointed out elsewhere, his using of the forward line to hide injured or out of form players (Kennelly, LRT) hardly increases the potency of our forward line.

      I said elsewhere that without Hall and Davis, our forward line is one of the weakest in the competition and there is nothing I saw yesterday to change that view. I don't know what game Roos was watching.
      "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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      • connolly
        Registered User
        • Aug 2005
        • 2461

        #4
        Originally posted by hammo
        Just as Roos gets praised for the 'no one individual is bigger than the team' approach, so too should he be criticised for his arrogance in refusing to select a player who is clearly inside the best 22.

        His comments after yesterday's game that our forward line was "potent" were laughable. And as NMWBloods has pointed out elsewhere, his using of the forward line to hide injured or out of form players (Kennelly, LRT) hardly increases the potency of our forward line.

        I said elsewhere that without Hall and Davis, our forward line is one of the weakest in the competition and there is nothing I saw yesterday to change that view. I don't know what game Roos was watching.
        Our problem is in the midfield and too much is placed on the half back runners to keep the joint ticking. Malthouse has proved that if our half backs are closed down our mids are simply unable to generate enough penetration and quality ball to set up winning scores. We have never recovered from the loss of Williams and desperately need a very quick and very long kick in the midfield. This is not Davo. Maybe with a fit Fossie back we can at least get some run going. With Bevo put right in the midfield stoppage mix (tough, good hands and tremendous tackler) and Goodsey standing off the pack instead of trying to run through them we might get some more thrust.
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        • ROK Lobster
          RWO Life Member
          • Aug 2004
          • 8658

          #5
          Originally posted by connolly
          We have never recovered from the loss of Williams and desperately need a very quick and very long kick in the midfield.
          With Bevo put right in the midfield stoppage mix (tough, good hands and tremendous tackler)
          How does this make sense?

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          • Frog
            Retired from RWO
            • Aug 2005
            • 1898

            #6
            I wouldn't want someone sitting in the cubicle next to me waiting for someone to give him/her something to do. There is plenty of work to be done and no matter what industry you are in, you know what is expected of you - if you know your job. If not, I expect my boss to deal with it. I would be pissed off with my boss if he didn't.

            Davo is clearly not in our best 22. If Roos doesn't leave him out until he is prepared to pull his weight and do what he was hired for, I'll be pissed off with Roos.

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            • hammo
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2003
              • 5554

              #7
              Originally posted by connolly
              Our problem is in the midfield and too much is placed on the half back runners to keep the joint ticking. Malthouse has proved that if our half backs are closed down our mids are simply unable to generate enough penetration and quality ball to set up winning scores. We have never recovered from the loss of Williams and desperately need a very quick and very long kick in the midfield. This is not Davo. Maybe with a fit Fossie back we can at least get some run going. With Bevo put right in the midfield stoppage mix (tough, good hands and tremendous tackler) and Goodsey standing off the pack instead of trying to run through them we might get some more thrust.
              I agree with what you say about Williams and the general problem being with the midfield. I do think we've missed Fosdike's contributions this season as he's a very underrated player for us.

              You have put words in my mouth though because I have never suggested Davis be brought back to play a midfield role. My point is that when we were forward yesterday we didn't look dangerous as at all, whereas the Hawks looked like they would score from every entry inside 50.

              I'm not against Bevan moving into the midfield but I think we need our most skilful players there, not necessarily our hardest nuts. In saying that I was very impressed with bevo's general play yesterday in particular his kicking.
              "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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              • stellation
                scott names the planets
                • Sep 2003
                • 9720

                #8
                Originally posted by connolly
                Once again its the coaches fault! So the career of a premiership coach is in jeopardy because a diffident soft player dining out on one amazing quarter three years ago fails to apply discipline and focus to his game and is discarded. Right. This is what happens to premiership coaches, doesn't it? Roos outstanding performance as a coach will be forever tarnished as is Malthouse because they apparently couldn't get the best out of the boy genius. Mate take a cold shower.
                Dashing another person's post as starstruck fandom then promptly making your own post about Bevan seems a tad rich.
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                • ROK Lobster
                  RWO Life Member
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 8658

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Frog
                  I wouldn't want someone sitting in the cubicle next to me waiting for someone to give him/her something to do. There is plenty of work to be done and no matter what industry you are in, you know what is expected of you - if you know your job. If not, I expect my boss to deal with it. I would be pissed off with my boss if he didn't.

                  Davo is clearly not in our best 22. If Roos doesn't leave him out until he is prepared to pull his weight and do what he was hired for, I'll be pissed off with Roos.
                  And yet he last game he played, Luke Darcy (I think that is who is was - and it might have been the Cats game) was commenting that Davis had showed real endeavour and that the club should be pleased with his efforts. It is hard to tell on TV but even though I did not think that Davo was brilliant last time out, I don't think he was not having a go.

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                  • goswannie14
                    Leadership Group
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 11166

                    #10
                    Congratulations connolly, you have once again hijacked a thread about Nick Davis to make it about Paul Bevan.

                    Please keep threads on topic.

                    I agree with the original premise, that it is up to the coach (as the leader or boss of the team) to ensure relationships are right with the employees. When I am in that situation that is what is expected from me.

                    I also agree with Frog, that if someone is not doing their job they should be corrected, in this case by the coach. However, the coach cannot keep saying "the ball is in Davo's court", it is Roos responsibilty to ensure that things are right with Nick Davis, Roos has already failed his responsibility with Barry Hall he looks to be doing the same with Davis.

                    I am a fan of Roos, but I believe he is starting to fail with his responsibilities as the leader of the playing group at the club. It may well be that, as he has said, he is not a career coach, and his mind is elsewhere at the moment. I don't know what the real answer is, I'm as confused about it as everyone else here.
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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9720

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Frog
                      I wouldn't want someone sitting in the cubicle next to me waiting for someone to give him/her something to do. There is plenty of work to be done and no matter what industry you are in, you know what is expected of you - if you know your job. If not, I expect my boss to deal with it. I would be pissed off with my boss if he didn't.
                      I guess it just depends on what that person was hired to do.
                      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                      • connolly
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 2461

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                        How does this make sense?
                        We need someone to help Kirky get the bloody thing out of the breakdown. Bevo is tough enough and has good clean handling to do it. We shouldn't use Goodsey as a front end loader in the packs ( 195 plus and a 100 k does damage but will keep him on the sidelines courtesy of the judiciary) but have him play as a runner off the fringes (where he won a brownlow) This might help until the Vez or someone emerges as the explosive skilfull quick midfielder that Willo was and we have never replaced.
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                        • ROK Lobster
                          RWO Life Member
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 8658

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Frog
                          I wouldn't want someone sitting in the cubicle next to me waiting for someone to give him/her something to do. There is plenty of work to be done and no matter what industry you are in, you know what is expected of you - if you know your job. If not, I expect my boss to deal with it. I would be pissed off with my boss if he didn't.
                          My question is: What goes on in the toilets where you work Frog?

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                          • connolly
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 2461

                            #14
                            Originally posted by goswannie14
                            Congratulations connolly, you have once again hijacked a thread about Nick Davis to make it about Paul Bevan.

                            Please keep threads on topic.

                            .
                            Well i'm not confused. The original post attacked Roos as a coach. I defended his record and suggested a modest solution to our problem of not kicking winning scores. Perhaps we should ask the Pope to beatify our little martyr - arise St Nick?
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                            • ScottH
                              It's Goodes to cheer!!
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 23665

                              #15
                              Originally posted by stellation
                              I guess it just depends on what that person was hired to do.
                              Hopefully as much as you do!!

                              Originally posted by ROK Lobster
                              My question is: What goes on in the toilets where you work Frog?
                              Who ever is in th next cubicle, they are obviously not pulling their weight!!

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