What went wrong against Hawthorn?

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  • Swanner
    On the Rookie List
    • Mar 2006
    • 186

    What went wrong against Hawthorn?

    Keen for everyone's views on this. Generally we can dispose of non top 8 teams pretty easily - but we really have struggled against other top 4 contenders. So i have focussed on what we tend to do wrong in the big games.

    1) Poor starts - the game on Sunday seemed to have all of the similarities of our losses to Collingwood this year and the final last year and Geelong and Western Bulldogs earlier this year. Bad early conversion and in the Collingwood game poor free kicks given away by Hall leading to us chasing our tails early and having to fight back later in the game.

    2) Can't handle pressure - Unable to move the ball fluently into the forward line early in the game because of opposition pressure and poor disposals. Other teams are geed up and ready to go - we can't stop this but we can plan for it - need cooler heads and a very defensive game in the first quarter. This is tempo football and we have stopped playing it.

    3) Very poor kick ins - our kick ins all year have been very bad and lead to turn overs often - we used to be much better than this - don't know if we can turn it around in a coupe of weeks but who ever the coach is who is responsible for this area needs a big kick up the bum.

    To address these the first two problems we need a Big game plan by Roos that tries to unsettle the opposition early - we need to flood early and play lead and mark football around the boundaries in the first quarter, don't care if it is nil all at the end of the quarter. Secondly we need greater tackle pressure on the opposition ball winners. Thirdly Roos should not debuted Smith in this game he should have brought in an old head like Matthews to lock down an opponent - or Brennan who we know is a big tackler and generates plenty of run.

    As for kick ins we need an innvoation here from the coaching panel because what we are doing has been figured out by the other top teams.

    Mainly though we need to rediscover tempo football played by experienced heads - so we frustrate the opposition and wear them down - we are the second best last quarter team in the comp so when it does open up at the end of the game we have the ability and the skills to outscore any team in the comp. And the likes of Hawthron and the Bulldogs and in particular Collingwood have all been shown to be vunerable to a last quarter surge - so lets play the game on our terms!

    A penny for your thoughts!
  • Lucky Knickers
    Fandom of Fabulousness
    • Oct 2003
    • 4220

    #2
    IMO failure to convert so no scoreboard pressure.
    Hawks are mentally soft and if we could have pressured them on the scoreboard they would have crumbled.

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    • dread and might
      Back, strapped and intact
      • Apr 2004
      • 949

      #3
      smashed in the centre, too many clean takeaways from Hodge & co. Sewell killed us, Buddy killed us, could haave been worse, no obvious match up. Roughead also could have done more damage. We got off lightly.

      Poor conversion, buchanan, playfair et al.

      Lack of awareness. Kieren Jack playing on Rioli, must have known he didn't have time to amble about, two costly turnovers. Ablett gets pinged too often, IMO about once a game.

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      • danny
        On the Rookie List
        • Jun 2007
        • 15

        #4
        I dont post here much.. but... IMO all the media talk of dirty swans footy has got to the boys and they dont want to grind out games anymore, this attempt at a more flowing style has worked against lesser teams but the hawks are (right now) a better team with quicker, fitter players who just outrun us.

        The 2nd term should of been a numbers on ball lockdown... instead they let the hawks kick out to a strong 1/2 time lead. A typical fightback followed which was great to watch but we just couldnt catch them.

        ...leaving the ground after yet another disappointing melbourne game this year... such fun. Surely we can get up against the blues!

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        • swansrule100
          The quarterback
          • May 2004
          • 4538

          #5
          they got more points than us
          Theres not much left to say

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          • Plugger46
            Senior Player
            • Apr 2003
            • 3674

            #6
            I just thought they were a bit more polished going forward. It helped that they had two gun key forwards to kick to.
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            • NMWBloods
              Taking Refuge!!
              • Jan 2003
              • 15819

              #7
              The same thing that often goes wrong when we play a decent side (especially away from the SCG) - we can't kick a decent score.

              v. Hawthorn 10 goals
              v. Collingwood 6 goals
              v. Geelong 10 goals

              Same as last year.
              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

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              • timbo
                On the Rookie List
                • Aug 2003
                • 344

                #8
                2 things.

                Innaccuracy at goal. At one stage were 2.6. With those 6 behinds being all set shots. BUT I think the weather was some sort of factor in that, as well as 3 of the behinds coming from Buchanan. Hawthorn had their chances as well, but you cant worry about the opposition like that.

                Fierce rebounding from the Hawks killed us. They fluently moved it from defence to attack. You can instantly tell when its not our day by how fast it gets from one inside 50 to the the other by both teams. That kieren jack mistake in the first couple of minutes showed how devoid of options we had. Forced to kick back into the defensive 50.
                Onwards to Victory!

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                • johnno
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 1102

                  #9
                  i was at the game and have still not worked out what the 100 meter penalty was for. Can anyone tell me please?

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                  • Triple B
                    Formerly 'BBB'
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6999

                    #10
                    Originally posted by johnno
                    i was at the game and have still not worked out what the 100 meter penalty was for. Can anyone tell me please?
                    First 50 was unlucky, but clearly there, against McVeigh for running thru the line of the mark trying to pickup Sewell.

                    Second one, don't know, they were still replaying the first one
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                    • Boodnutz
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 131

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
                      IMO failure to convert so no scoreboard pressure.
                      Hawks are mentally soft and if we could have pressured them on the scoreboard they would have crumbled.
                      The kicking technique of buchanan, playfair, LRT and others is abysmal. Franklin's isn't much better but that's Hawthorn's problem. As a junior coach of elite kids in the 14/15/16 age group i get recruiting staff ramming down my throat the fact that technique is everything when looking at future players. I say that's fine but who in hell recruited the people in Sydney's forward line on sunday ?

                      buchanan's technique is laughable. There isn't any. Jog in have a slog at the ball with your foot.

                      What do these guys do all day at training? Play the Playstation?

                      wasted efforts in front of goal debilitate a team more than anything else. scoreboard pressure would've created more pressure all over the ground.

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #12
                        Originally posted by johnno
                        i was at the game and have still not worked out what the 100 meter penalty was for. Can anyone tell me please?
                        I thought the first one was for Everitt mouthing off and the second was for someone running through the mark.
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • hammo
                          Veterans List
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 5554

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          I thought the first one was for Everitt mouthing off and the second was for someone running through the mark.
                          It was Jack who ran across the mark. Capped off a really ordinary first quarter for him.
                          Last edited by hammo; 14 July 2008, 04:22 PM.
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                          • Glenn
                            ROLLLLLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 2443

                            #14
                            Hung in their the first quarter despite some in accuarte kicking, thankfully the Hawks returned the favour their.
                            Second quarter Sydney go AWOL and Hawks open the game up.
                            Third Quarter Sydney come back until a questionable mark not paid to Ted Richards when he he had front position shifts momentum back to the Hawks.
                            Fourth Quarter, Sydney run out of steam and Hawks get a couple of easy goals to push the margin back out.
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                            • ugg
                              Can you feel it?
                              Site Admin
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15961

                              #15
                              First one was definitely McVeigh running across the mark.

                              Second one, hard to say because Fox were too busy replaying the first one. The audio I picked up was the umpire saying "You were following no one". Then when they had a replay later on, there was C.Bolton and Jack in the background, but it didn't show anyone running across the mark.
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