Roos amused by Davis interview / The end is nigh?

[stellation]

This is actually just the same story as the article yesterday, it uses the same quotes and just has journo added waffle. I saw the Roos mini press conference that the quotes were taken from last night, it was one question asked by a journo (possibly 2 with a follow up "did you know he followed the Eagles as a kid?" at the after training media chat and Roos spoke for around 1 1/2 minutes on it (if that).

[connolly]

Davis is gonski.

Paul Roos seems incapable of managing players that don't toe the line.

Paul Roos WON'T manage players that WON'T toe the line

There is a mutual contractual choice here. Remember Roos played in a club that consistently fielded undisciplined teams with brilliant individuals - Fitzroy and South Melbourne/Sydney. It would be interesting to add up the number of Brownlow Medialists during those years of defeat. No reflection on Skils and Kevin Murray there of course. But the fact is Roos played in clubs that had not developed a strong collective ethos (we lost ours after a dazzling era of imported individual brilliance) and Fitzroy died with the shift of the working class base from their tiny handkerchief of inner Melbourne and played in teams that largely went defeated. He hated being beaten and learnt from it. And i must say the i have seen both kinds of clubs and will take Roos way any day.
Nick Davis has now left two clubs with a strong collective ethos with tears before bedtime. He will feel comfortable in Perth because they built their sides on the individual (with finally disasterous results) and if they are dumb enough to be sucked in good luck to both parties. I don't believe Davis was or is a brilliant player. He played one brilliant quarter in a big match. But i get your point.

[Bloody Hell]

Can't see alot of clubs in the line up to get Nick Davis.

Can't even be bother looking them up, but I'd suggest any team between 6 and 12 on the table would be interested in one Nick Davis.

[Hartijon]

cortinas

Davis is gonski.

Paul Roos seems incapable of managing players that don't toe the line. Or rather, the impression I get is that his method is to marginalise and isolate such players on the way to the exit door, whilst putting on his trademark laconic, wry 'I know nothing' personanna. Has a rather nasty smell to it.

Unfortanately, there is some correlation between brilliance on the field and having an attitude, hence our team starting to fill up with committed, robotic gumbies and old guys who know the drill.

One wonders how Roos would cope with Fevola. I hope the rumours about him are wrong, because I don't think Paul Roos has a clue how to deal with a flawed genius. If he is drafted by the Swans, I can just see this playing out all over again.

Gets back to the philosophy of the club which allows no room for individual flair and brilliance unless it is totaly team orientated.Watching Monty's inept goal kicking last week while our star goal kicker is injured in the twos was a tragedy unfolding.Good sides are mature enough to carry wayward stars who can win you a grandfinal or like Nick did,a place in a GF. Roosey should be comfortable enough in the job now not to feel threatened or insecure with thesekind of players.

[connolly]

This has been handled so badly. They've forced him out and killed his currency.

Why do you need to force out a poser on a one year contract? Davis was on his last chance after he walked out on Collingwood. He blew it. In professional sport one chance is very fortunate, two is extremely fortunate and three is only on the tellie. Davis self destructed in 2007. We kept him on for two years taking up space that would have been better made for a good committed young player on the list. Bye Davo

[Chow-Chicker]

Can't even be bother looking them up, but I'd suggest any team between 6 and 12 on the table would be interested in one Nick Davis.

Yeah, through the PSD, not a trade.

[connolly]

Gets back to the philosophy of the club which allows no room for individual flair and brilliance unless it is totaly team orientated.Watching Monty's inept goal kicking last week while our star goal kicker is injured in the twos was a tragedy unfolding.Good sides are mature enough to carry wayward stars who can win you a grandfinal or like Nick did,a place in a GF. Roosey should be comfortable enough in the job now not to feel threatened or insecure with thesekind of players.

Care to name those sides? Geelong disciplined Johnston, Kangas disposed of Carey, dropped Thompson and disciplined Grant, Davis walked out on Collingwood. West Coast was the club that really allowed the individual to dominate in the club. If thats the model you are referring to then no but no thanks.

[Legs Akimbo]

Paul Roos WON'T manage players that WON'T toe the line

There is a mutual contractual choice here. Remember Roos played in a club that consistently fielded undisciplined teams with brilliant individuals - Fitzroy and South Melbourne/Sydney. It would be interesting to add up the number of Brownlow Medialists during those years of defeat. No reflection on Skils and Kevin Murray there of course. But the fact is Roos played in clubs that had not developed a strong collective ethos (we lost ours after a dazzling era of imported individual brilliance) and Fitzroy died with the shift of the working class base from their tiny handkerchief of inner Melbourne and played in teams that largely went defeated. He hated being beaten and learnt from it. And i must say the i have seen both kinds of clubs and will take Roos way any day.
Nick Davis has now left two clubs with a strong collective ethos with tears before bedtime. He will feel comfortable in Perth because they built their sides on the individual (with finally disasterous results) and if they are dumb enough to be sucked in good luck to both parties. I don't believe Davis was or is a brilliant player. He played one brilliant quarter in a big match. But i get your point.

I think the best outcome is to make these sorts of players contribute and produce, within a set of rules that fits the club ethos. This requires motivation and positive reinforcement. When they inevitably transgress, then the question becomes, how to pull them back in line by motivating them to do so. Clearly, the Swans had it working well for a time with Davis, and it has fallen apart. Similar thing has happened with Hall. In both cases, the mistake the club has made is to foster doubt and uncertainty with the player (and dip@@@@ manager).

BTW, I think Nick Davis is a brat and has behaved appallingly (so has Hall). I also think Roos and co have managed (two difficult situations) poorly, but the are situations of the players' making. All up, no winners.

[Snake]

I don't blame Davis, Roos doesn't give a toss about him. Davis has shown this year that he has committed to the swans, and Roos ain't interested.

[givekidsakick]

we will be lucky to stay in the 8 and the future looks bleak without some new talent emerging .....a fullback, a full forward , a ruckman and a ball magnet like cousins. Davis could be good trade bait but we didn't use him very well this year and no doubt he won't be with us next year...and why would he want to be after the way he has been treated. Why did we get rid of the schneiderman? Another flawed decision much like selling carey & longmire for $15k. Loyalty is a two way street and our club is lacking.

[TheMase]

we will be lucky to stay in the 8 and the future looks bleak without some new talent emerging .....a fullback, a full forward , a ruckman and a ball magnet like cousins. Davis could be good trade bait but we didn't use him very well this year and no doubt he won't be with us next year...and why would he want to be after the way he has been treated. Why did we get rid of the schneiderman? Another flawed decision much like selling carey & longmire for $15k. Loyalty is a two way street and our club is lacking.

What a load of rubbish. The Swans are built on a team culture, and everybody giving 100%. If players do not want to do that, they can go to a club that accepts that.

The club is very loyal to the players that do this.

KPP is where we are struggling a little, not midfielders. We have plenty of midfielders. Backs we don't have to worry too much about for a number of years. Rucks, I am pretty sure Currie will make it.

Forward? Unknown at this stage of their development.

We will finish 4th or 5th this year. We won't drop any lower than that.

[dimelb]

I think the best outcome is to make these sorts of players contribute and produce, within a set of rules that fits the club ethos. This requires motivation and positive reinforcement. When they inevitably transgress, then the question becomes, how to pull them back in line by motivating them to do so. Clearly, the Swans had it working well for a time with Davis, and it has fallen apart. Similar thing has happened with Hall. In both cases, the mistake the club has made is to foster doubt and uncertainty with the player (and dip@@@@ manager).

BTW, I think Nick Davis is a brat and has behaved appallingly (so has Hall). I also think Roos and co have managed (two difficult situations) poorly, but the are situations of the players' making. All up, no winners.

Pretty much how I see it, except that, as far as I can judge from way outside, Roos seems to me a pretty good manager. I think his most recent problem has been that he has to make some comment on the situation with Hall or Davis - he can't just say nothing - and whatever he says is going to be criticised. I don't think he's particularly uncomfortable with either player, but they have, each in his own way, overstepped the mark and have to live with the consequences.

[Triple B]

Pretty much how I see it, except that, as far as I can judge from way outside, Roos seems to me a pretty good manager.

I believe Legs was commenting on Davis' inept manager.

[Dogzbody]

I think this is a shame. At the end of the day though, ones destiny is in ones own hands. Nick has had plenty of opportunity to be a Swans great, but the work ethic has never matched the talent.

[swansrule100]

i still havent seen the original davis article wheres the link to that, where his manager said about west coast or whatever.

A few things, theres not a lot roos can say. He cant say yeh i hope the eagles or whoever take him, he cant say he is nearing selection As he is injured, therefore you cannot talk about him next year given he has barely been in the team anyway.

i just wonder does nick or his agent or whoever ring up with the comments or are they asked about it?? i don't know. I don't care, Davis should know if he is a required player at a club that is supposedly big on team. He should at least know right at this moment exactly what roos would expect from him to be there in 2009.

If he does not know its poor communication, if he knows he is gone, which is fair enough, then he can create all the buzz about trades he wants, the club can ditch him if he is not required fine, (if thats right is a separate issue) but they cannot also be annoyed if he wants to look elsewhere.

i will say theres a lot of articles and so on considering theres no real news on the issue.