Tyrone starlet signs Swans deal / Coney staying in Ireland

[T-bag]

In addition the Bloods could seek and would probably get an injunction against Coney, Tyrone and/or the GAA to prevent the kid from playing gaelic for the duration of his contract with the Bloods.

That's the path I would take if I was mean and manipulative. Oh wait, I am

[Wardy]

Perhaps the lesson here is to not recruit teenagers from countries on the other side of the world - they do tend to get home sick. Interstate isnt such a big deal - but 15,000 klms from home and family is a bit hard for some to come to terms with.

[stephenite]

The basis of the action is the tort of inducing breach by the kid of his contract. It would be incumbent on the Bloods to prove on the civil standard that Tyrone or its agents had the:
(a) intention to procure a breach of contract;
(b) they did in fact induce it; and
(c) that the Bloods suffered damage as a consequence.

If you are really interested cast your critical eye over Tzu v Fightvision Pty Ltd at [url="http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/nsw/NSWCA/1999/323"].
The courts will award exemplary damages, ie. damages in punishment against third parties that induce breach of contracts. Whether Tyrone is an "amateur" organization (whatever that is FFS) is completely irrelevant to the issue of the tort. They won the championship last year so they must have something in potato sack. If the tort occured in Ireland it wouldn't matter much as Irish common law has similar basis in tort and remedies. In addition the Bloods could seek and would probably get an injunction against Coney, Tyrone and/or the GAA to prevent the kid from playing gaelic for the duration of his contract with the Bloods.

I take your point, but if there is no money changing hands for Coney to play for Tyrone, given it's an amateur sport then where is the inducement for the breach of contract?

They probably could get an injunction against him playing but I really don't se how this will benefit the Swans.

If Coney was to come back out and sign for another AFL club it would be a different matter.

Tyrone are part of an amateur organisation - I would imagine that there may be some legal case against Coney directly, but I'm just wondering where suing Tyrone and, or the GAA would end up, not making it out of the Bloods legal department I'd imagine.

[robamiee]

this quote from him on the article on real footy:
Young Swan staying in Ireland - realfooty.com.au

"Representatives from Sydney Swans have been phoning but I've told them that I have made up my mind and I'm not for turning. I thoroughly enjoyed the six weeks that I was there. It was a great experience and I enjoyed every minute of it, but I have made up my mind."

well i am sorry young fella, at first i thought ok fair enough, but with a comment like this, "i am not one for turning" well hang on you made a commitment to the swans and you turned on them...
something does need to happen as it will open a legal pandora's box, make no mistake that every player could do..Sorry club but i ahve changed my mind and want to go elsewhere.

Go back and work on the potato farm as any professional career has walked out the door and if i were the swans i would firmly shut it.

[Tyrone man]

Ridiculous

Cant believe the foolish chat coming out of people regarding this!!! How could the swans sue a young lad just finished school who hasn't got a penny to his name??? As for suggesting that Tyrone be sued is stupid as no financial link exists between Tyrone & Kyle!! Also i'm sure most of you have a contract with your job......what would happen if you quit?? Not alot i would suspect.

I am from Tyrone & living in Australia, personally i think Kyle was very foolish to do what he has done as he had the potential to follow in the footsteps of Marty Clarke & he also wont get a look in with Tyrone for atleast another year but at the same time i understand where he is coming from, I dont think Aussies fully understand the passion for Gaelic football in Ireland & especially Tyrone, for me it was heart breaking to have missed the All Ireland final in Sept so i can imagine what it would be like to watch it on the other side of the world thinking you should be playing there. As you all know alot of young Irish are currently on these shores, a few of my best mates at home are currently out of work but won't come out here just because they want to play football for our local village!!

Also i dont think Australian teams should stop recruiting from Ireland because the talent is certainly there but i think they should possibly wait until players are over 20 & make sure they are committed about going, Kyle has obviously had doubts from day 1 & i think the taste of playing in Croker was probably what made his mind up!!!

There are also rumours in the papers back home that Kennelly is coming back as well so watch this space!!!

[Wardy]

Cant believe the foolish chat coming out of people regarding this!!! How could the swans sue a young lad just finished school who hasn't got a penny to his name??? As for suggesting that Tyrone be sued is stupid as no financial link exists between Tyrone & Kyle!! Also i'm sure most of you have a contract with your job......what would happen if you quit?? Not alot i would suspect.

I am from Tyrone & living in Australia, personally i think Kyle was very foolish to do what he has done as he had the potential to follow in the footsteps of Marty Clarke & he also wont get a look in with Tyrone for atleast another year but at the same time i understand where he is coming from, I dont think Aussies fully understand the passion for Gaelic football in Ireland & especially Tyrone, for me it was heart breaking to have missed the All Ireland final in Sept so i can imagine what it would be like to watch it on the other side of the world thinking you should be playing there. As you all know alot of young Irish are currently on these shores, a few of my best mates at home are currently out of work but won't come out here just because they want to play football for our local village!!

Also i dont think Australian teams should stop recruiting from Ireland because the talent is certainly there but i think they should possibly wait until players are over 20 & make sure they are committed about going, Kyle has obviously had doubts from day 1 & i think the taste of playing in Croker was probably what made his mind up!!!

There are also rumours in the papers back home that Kennelly is coming back as well so watch this space!!!

The rumours of which you speak re Kennelly happen at the same time every year and its becomeing a bit boring really - Yes he will go home eventually, I'd like to know will he give up his Australian Citizenship ??

With regard to the youngster - appreciate that the Irish put Footy above all else, but at the end of the day it isnt life or death - its footy. But the Swans would have paid for his airfares/accomodation and living expenses whilst he was here, that would not have been cheap. Whilst I doubt that they will sue, the Swans should at least seek to recover costs expended on this kid thus far.

[Tyrone man]

He wouldn't have to give up citizenship as i believe he would be entitled to dual citizenship. I know he has this moan every year but i think this time he is actually serious about it, he will most likely play out his contract & try win an All Ireland, but not if we can help it

I see where you are coming from about the expenses but it is one of them chances any club will have to take, i think there were around 10 to 15 young players come out from Ireland this summer on Trials with various clubs, all these expenses would have existed on that basis also!! I do realise this was not a trial & he had signed a contract but are the Swans really going to put themselves to the bother of claiming $5-6k for flights & accomodation, i believe he was stayin with Kennelly during his time anyway!!

[Wardy]

He wouldn't have to give up citizenship as i believe he would be entitled to dual citizenship. I know he has this moan every year but i think this time he is actually serious about it, he will most likely play out his contract & try win an All Ireland, but not if we can help it

I see where you are coming from about the expenses but it is one of them chances any club will have to take, i think there were around 10 to 15 young players come out from Ireland this summer on Trials with various clubs, all these expenses would have existed on that basis also!! I do realise this was not a trial & he had signed a contract but are the Swans really going to put themselves to the bother of claiming $5-6k for flights & accomodation, i believe he was stayin with Kennelly during his time anyway!!

Have you ever seen a growing teenager eat??? they can put it away and that isnt cheap! the economic climate being what it is, the club really have to pull the reins with regard to expenditure.

Well Kennelly only has until the end of the year to see out his contract - another year away from home wont kill him.

[Tyrone man]

Another few dislocated shoulders might tho

[liz]

Also i dont think Australian teams should stop recruiting from Ireland because the talent is certainly there but i think they should possibly wait until players are over 20 & make sure they are committed about going, Kyle has obviously had doubts from day 1 & i think the taste of playing in Croker was probably what made his mind up!!!

Except that the longer you leave it to try and convert a player to a brand new sport, the harder it is likely to be for him to adapt.

Good luck to Coney. He's made his call and now everyone has to live with that. It does sound like his mind was never truly made up.

I don't really get the beat-up about how tough it is to expect a young sportsman with ambitions to elite level sport to relocate to the other side of the world to follow his dream - if it is really his dream, that is. Young soccer players from Australia do it frequently. Young basketballers go to the US to play college basketball and then onto the professional leagues. Leaving home at 18 really isn't that tough on someone.

[Wardy]

I don't really get the beat-up about how tough it is to expect a young sportsman with ambitions to elite level sport to relocate to the other side of the world to follow his dream - if it is really his dream, that is. Young soccer players from Australia do it frequently. Young basketballers go to the US to play college basketball and then onto the professional leagues. Leaving home at 18 really isn't that tough on someone.

I dont agree - the number of kids who leave and go overseas to play big time sport isnt really that large in number. How many normal 18 year olds do you know that have left home these days?
Considering Liz that you are in your 40's as well - leaving home at 18 was what we wanted to do most, that was our generation - but kids these days just dont leave like they used too.

They stay home until their early 20's then go on the big trip, come back home for another couple of years to pay off their debt then go off again.

It could be that he might also have been quite immature, thought the adventure was a great idea at the start, but when the reality hit he couldnt cope - it happens.

[ROK Lobster]

If you read between the lines it's pretty clear that he only came to the Swans for a chance to play with Davo.

[Wardy]

If you read between the lines it's pretty clear that he only came to the Swans for a chance to play with Davo.

LOL indeed ROK - as always you hit the nail on the head..

[Tyrone man]

Liz you make a fair point about young players going around the world to follow their ambition as soccer or basketball players but with in that point i think you missed the most important issue.........AFL is not GAA. If there were professional GAA teams out here paying lads to play football there would be a mass exodus out of Ireland!!

One of the main reasons Coney turned his back on ths Swans is that he realised his dream, that is to play for Tyrobne & not to play a sport he didn't know anything about 6 months ago!!

[liz]

Liz you make a fair point about young players going around the world to follow their ambition as soccer or basketball players but with in that point i think you missed the most important issue.........AFL is not GAA. If there were professional GAA teams out here paying lads to play football there would be a mass exodus out of Ireland!!

One of the main reasons Coney turned his back on ths Swans is that he realised his dream, that is to play for Tyrobne & not to play a sport he didn't know anything about 6 months ago!!

Fair enough, but his preference to play GAA has nothing to do with age then. If anything, young players are less likely to want to leave when they hit their early 20s than as an 18 yo, especially if they see themselves closer to playing senior Gaelic footy for their county.

I just reckon it is dangerous to make generalisations about where the Irish who have come over would rather be. Begley obviously likes playing AFL enough that he stayed even when cut from his original team. For all Kennelly's rumblings over the years about how the passion is different and how he prefers Gaelic as a game, he's still remained here for close on 10 seasons - so he must quite like it, and not just the financial side. And there have yet to be any rumblings from Murphy about wishing he were back playing Gaelic.