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  • swantastic
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2006
    • 7275

    Tonight's Umpiring

    Was a bloody disgrace,Geelongs extra players got them going in the first quarter.
    Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

  • SassySwan
    Big Bad Bussling
    • Sep 2005
    • 62

    #2
    And they think we have an Endangered Species!!! Sorry.. they're entire team qualifies for this as far as I've seen tonight!

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    • hammo
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2003
      • 5554

      #3
      Originally posted by swantastic
      Was a bloody disgrace,Geelongs extra players got them going in the first quarter.
      I don't think Geelong needed much help to be honest.

      That said, I thought the umpiring was very poor. As I've noticed in many of the Geelong games I've watched this year they seem to get a very good run with the umpires and are marked on a different set of rules to the opposition. It's almost as if the umpires are in awe of them.
      "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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      • BloodsInMyVeins
        On the Rookie List
        • Jul 2008
        • 49

        #4
        i agree the Umpiring was bad ,But not the reason why we lost.

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        • cruiser
          What the frack!
          • Jul 2004
          • 6114

          #5
          The umpiring in the first 15 minutes, which gifted Geelong 3 goals, was appalling. Where I was sitting no one around, including some Geelong supporters, could work out what they were thinking. That said, in the end, it may no difference against this years premiers.
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          • liz
            Veteran
            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 16795

            #6
            It's rare that I get too worked up about umpiring because it is rarely the difference. But the first half effort of the men in white had my blood boiling. Holding the rule interpretations against the two teams seemed entirely different - highlighted when someone (Macca?) laid a great tackle on James Kelly inside our forward 50 and he'd clearly had prior opportunity, ball spills out and from the ensuing contest ROK gets pinged for HTB despite the tackle seeming to drop below his knees.

            The second free Grundy gave away in defence was as soft as butter, yet not much later McVeigh is clipped around the head as Geelong player spoils a mark and nothing!

            And would someone who was watching on TV like to enlighten me on what the 50m penalty that gave Byrnes his second goal was for? Initial free kick against Malceski for a throw was reasonable but the ball spilt loose, Geelong (Ablett) took possession and was playing on, and then was tackled. What on earth were the Swans penalised for? It was Ablett who played on, not them. Were they just meant to back off and let him run into goal?

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            • cruiser
              What the frack!
              • Jul 2004
              • 6114

              #7
              Originally posted by liz
              And would someone who was watching on TV like to enlighten me on what the 50m penalty that gave Byrnes his second goal was for? Initial free kick against Malceski for a throw was reasonable but the ball spilt loose, Geelong (Ablett) took possession and was playing on, and then was tackled. What on earth were the Swans penalised for? It was Ablett who played on, not them. Were they just meant to back off and let him run into goal?
              I was furious about that one. How can you pay 50m against Sydney players for tackling a player who was playing on with the ball but hadnt been paid the free kick? At that point I decided that the umps were just making up the rules as they went.
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              • TheMase
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2003
                • 1207

                #8
                Originally posted by liz

                And would someone who was watching on TV like to enlighten me on what the 50m penalty that gave Byrnes his second goal was for? Initial free kick against Malceski for a throw was reasonable but the ball spilt loose, Geelong (Ablett) took possession and was playing on, and then was tackled. What on earth were the Swans penalised for? It was Ablett who played on, not them. Were they just meant to back off and let him run into goal?
                That was a joke. The umpire called advantage, and then changed his mind just before the Swans tackled him.

                The other thing that annoys me about Geelong, and its not just this particular game, is they continually break the rules of shepherding the mark and get away with it.

                They do this very regularly. The will have two men v one at the contest, one will stay on the ground and block the opposition player from entering the contest. This is against the rules, yet they are allowed to continually do it.

                The umpiring was very poor tonight. I counted 7 free kicks directly resulting in shots at goal tonight.

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                • swantastic
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 7275

                  #9
                  Originally posted by liz
                  It's rare that I get too worked up about umpiring because it is rarely the difference. But the first half effort of the men in white had my blood boiling. Holding the rule interpretations against the two teams seemed entirely different - highlighted when someone (Macca?) laid a great tackle on James Kelly inside our forward 50 and he'd clearly had prior opportunity, ball spills out and from the ensuing contest ROK gets pinged for HTB despite the tackle seeming to drop below his knees.

                  The second free Grundy gave away in defence was as soft as butter, yet not much later McVeigh is clipped around the head as Geelong player spoils a mark and nothing!

                  And would someone who was watching on TV like to enlighten me on what the 50m penalty that gave Byrnes his second goal was for? Initial free kick against Malceski for a throw was reasonable but the ball spilt loose, Geelong (Ablett) took possession and was playing on, and then was tackled. What on earth were the Swans penalised for? It was Ablett who played on, not them. Were they just meant to back off and let him run into goal?
                  Its a bit harder at games to tell why some free's are given.Watching it on tele tonight you could just see how bad the umpiring really was,and that Byrnes one was pathetic at best.What we got pinged for Geelong got away with On a few occasions some of our players got a high tackle and got nothing for it,but if you touched a Geelong player they got a free straight away.
                  Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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                  • liz
                    Veteran
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16795

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheMase

                    The other thing that annoys me about Geelong, and its not just this particular game, is they continually break the rules of shepherding the mark and get away with it.

                    They do this very regularly. The will have two men v one at the contest, one will stay on the ground and block the opposition player from entering the contest. This is against the rules, yet they are allowed to continually do it.
                    There was a blatant one late in the game - when it was all over - from which I think it was Gamble who marked (no 15?). Ball was centred towards Geelong's goal, Bolton was well positioned to at least contest the mark but was clearly shepherded out of it by a Geelong player who had no intention of doing anything but stopping Bolton get to the contest.

                    Another thing they seemed to regularly do this evening was encroach over the mark. Not by much, just a step or two, but it's effective in stopping the team in possession from playing on quickly because they have to take another step backwards before they can kick.

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                    • TheMase
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1207

                      #11
                      Originally posted by liz
                      There was a blatant one late in the game - when it was all over - from which I think it was Gamble who marked (no 15?). Ball was centred towards Geelong's goal, Bolton was well positioned to at least contest the mark but was clearly shepherded out of it by a Geelong player who had no intention of doing anything but stopping Bolton get to the contest.
                      Absolutely. That was the best example for the night. Bolton got cleaned up a couple of times actually. Held rather than shepherded one goal, and only player with eyes for the ball for a behind.

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                      • bedford
                        forward coach
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 362

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TheMase
                        That was a joke. The umpire called advantage, and then changed his mind just before the Swans tackled him.

                        The other thing that annoys me about Geelong, and its not just this particular game, is they continually break the rules of shepherding the mark and get away with it.

                        They do this very regularly. The will have two men v one at the contest, one will stay on the ground and block the opposition player from entering the contest. This is against the rules, yet they are allowed to continually do it.

                        The umpiring was very poor tonight. I counted 7 free kicks directly resulting in shots at goal tonight.
                        Spot on,i counted 7 five from frees and 2 from the 50's

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                        • mcs
                          Travelling Swannie!!
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 8185

                          #13
                          Umpiring was absolutely disgraceful, especially in the 1st quarter. If I had of been at the ground I think I would of had to be restrained to be held back from going and having a go at the umpire after that terrible htb call as per earlier in the thread. And as for that 50 metre @@@@@@ me dead that was disgraceful- everybody knew it but I bet the ump doesnt get dropped for it.

                          That shepherding from Geelong really bugs me, they do it all the time, every week but Im yet to see them get picked up for it.

                          They are no doubt a brilliant footy team, but by gee they also know how to bend the rules and imo they get the rub of the umpires far more times then they dont. It comes with being so good I guess.

                          The other area that really bugs me watching Geelong (And they are not the only offender there are a lot of teams that do it) is the amount of times in a match where they get away with dodgy handballs that could easily be pulled up for being throws. Its a general trend in the game as the pace continues to increase, but Geelong seem to be a serial offender and get away with it 99.99% of the time.

                          There is no way the umpiring influenced the result significantly (Though it certainly helped to douse our very good first few minutes) but it was pretty dreadful last night.
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                          • robamiee
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 688

                            #14
                            i was throwing things tonight watching the game, my wife had to leave the room.
                            it was a bloody disgrace, even the commentators made comments, 5 of geelongs 7 first goals were from frees.

                            there was clearly a different set of rules out there tonight almost to the point where it was blatantly obvious.
                            Its almost like the Umpires are in awe of geelongs style and give free's the keep their game style going.

                            it clearly did not impact the result, however as the commentators said tonight, we would ahve beatne anyone the way we played tonight, except geelong, but it makes it harder when your not rewarded for your efforts.
                            G Abletts holding the ball in the last qtr i think, not payed...

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                            • Legs Akimbo
                              Grand Poobah
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 2809

                              #15
                              Was the most blatant example of biased umpiring I have seen to date, and that's saying something. My 'favourite' was Hunt not being pinged for HTB although he was spun around 360 degrees in a tackle.

                              You know when you watch your own team you don't really see the other team. It is like the umpires are cognitively attuned to blue and white and therefore systematically miss Sydney frees for and get too many Geelong frees for.

                              The tragedy of it is that it must turn off a lot of prospective NSW 'customers' who become bemused by the apparent capricious and one sided nature of the 'ref'.
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