Trade me Im no good.

[NMWBloods]

Do some of you people watch the same games as the rest of us ,because i'll say it once more Moore is going any where.

I assume there is a 'not' missing, in which I case I agree!

[Dogzbody]

Ok by this rationale....

We trade Moore and KFC (throw in Ablett) and get .........PAVLICH! (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

We won't be giving away draft picks in our trade deals (unless Swans Footy Management lose their minds) too much on offer.

Moore shouldn't go, he's effectively a first year player.... I don't know why you people are suggesting we lose him

[swansrule100]

im not sure we have anything much to offer in trade bait.

The main players you would consider trading like say a buchanan or an ablett probably have little currency on the trade market.

Unless we offer mcveigh, Okeefe or Goodes i would not expect any major trades.

I guess we could offer one of our smaller forward as trade bait, but id like to see him stay.

[Nico]

All clubs know everything about all players playing in the comp. If We reckon Ablett is going like a hobbled crab then the other 15 clubs will have observed the same.

They won't trade him as he is in the leadership group. Best we can hope for is replace Mathews as captain of the 2's.

I can recall Ablett playing at least 1 serviceable game. Last night he was lamentable.

On Moore, he needs to improve his goal kicking and decision making. Again last night he tried the sidestep a couple of times instead of a kick or handpass and turned it over. Every week he doesn't go with his first option on many occasions, particularly when under pressure, and turns it over. You can do it in the under 18's and Canberra but not the big league. Every now and then he strikes me as a selfish player.

[sfan]

Do some of you people watch the same games as the rest of us ,because i'll say it once more Moore is'nt going any where.

Moore has a few good games early in the year. Has been very poor of late just a few impact disposals a game. Not up to it i'm afraid. Get some trade value while we can. Would get a game in very few sides IMHO

[Legs Akimbo]

Diesel may have got away with it in the 80s, but the game has changed so much that comparison is stupid.

Yeah, got away with it and just managed to scrape in a couple of brownlow medals in the process.

He was called 'Diesel' for a reason. Fundamentally, a differenet player to Moore. Williams could not run but was always jogging at one pace throughout the game, typically on his way to where the ball would be. And on top of his almost supernatural ability to read the play, he could pinpoint pass on both feet and was the best exponent of the handball to have played the game (IMHO). He was also a deceptively strong mark for his size.

Oh, and he did okay in the 90s as well as the 80s.

Moore on the other hand, has very poor aerobic capacity and this would be an issue in any era, perhaps even more so before the advent of high rotaton interchanging.

I think going for him is his reading of the play, core strength and ability to break tackles. As a burst player, he has a lot to offer, but don't expect him to spend ong periods in the centre. The comparison to Mitchell is no very apt for this reason, as Mitchell has outstanding aerobic capacity. A better comparison would be Bird and Mitchell.

[bennyfrou]

For me the trade bait include several of any of the following but I doubt would attract much

Grundy - slow and not a good football sense
LRT - Nobody would take him I suspect
Moore - slow and cannot kick
Fozzie - past it
Buchanan - may attract a decent swap - poor disposal
Abblett - slow and poor disposal

Crouch - retire
Spider - retire

???? Fozzie has the best tank in the team, while he is fit he won't be traded.

Moore won't go - they have spent 4 years on him getting him good and they won't trade him in the year where he finally shows.

Crouch has been in great form these last two (3) games. The crouch of old. But, another injury?

LRT - still has too much structural importance to our team and will continue to get a game - might come under pressure end of next year.

Spider I feel has served his purpose - but want him to stay on as mentor to Currie / White / Murphy.

Trade Grundy.

[Robbo]

Why do we continue to play Grundy in the backline?

He IS NOT a defender.

[bedford]

For me the trade bait include several of any of the following but I doubt would attract much

Grundy - slow and not a good football sense
LRT - Nobody would take him I suspect
Moore - slow and cannot kick
Fozzie - past it
Buchanan - may attract a decent swap - poor disposal
Abblett - slow and poor disposal

Crouch - retire
Spider - retire

That is Crap,learn about footy

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Three of those aren't giving us much atm, but Moore?! what games have you been watching this season? He is one of the smartest footballers we have, and one of the best ball distributors. His fitness is building, and as for slow - do you remember Greg Williams? If you have those sort of smarts your leg speed doesn't matter all that much.

Funny you mention Diesel. I was musing to Swantastic over the table at the Riser about how Jarrod Moore reminds me of him. Not horribly fast, not even particularly skilful to be honest. A bloody hard worker & perfectly suited to the Swans stoppage-based game plan.

Have been a big wrap on him for 3 or so season now. Am happy he has finally cracked it & is playing regular senior footy. Talk of getting rid of him is crazy. We have far too many older players who slowly have to be replaced by younger guys. Moore IS one of those younger guys.

JF

[BSA5]

For me the trade bait include several of any of the following but I doubt would attract much

Grundy - slow and not a good football sense
LRT - Nobody would take him I suspect
Moore - slow and cannot kick
Fozzie - past it
Buchanan - may attract a decent swap - poor disposal
Abblett - slow and poor disposal

Crouch - retire
Spider - retire

Grundy - picked up an extra yard or two of pace in the time he was dropped. O'Keefe used to be slow and lumbering as well, you know. Grundy has great potential as a forward. He also has a terrific football sense (not sure where you picked that gem from), and is a great kick and mark to boot.

LRT - Nobody would take him, because he is still working back into form after almost a full year out of the seniors. No need to trade him, and he is still well within our best 22, and wouldn't pick up much anyway.

Moore - Not slow. Not lightning pace, but he has enough toe to keep him going. And he can definitely kick. Don't know what games you've been watching, but he is one of our best deliverers inside 50, and one of our best shots at goal.

Fossie - Sheesh, he's been out with injury all year, and you say he's past it? He has played one game this year. That's not nearly enough to go on.

Buchanan - Yes, poor disposal. But at his best, breaks tackles and puts in the 1 percenters, and provides some much needed spark to our often phlegmatic midfield. I think of all your suggestions though, Buchy is the most likely to be traded. Perhaps Roos showing faith in him earlier in the year, when he wasn't doing that well, was part of a strategy to boost his trade value.

Ablett - Slow and poor disposal. Also one of the toughest mother@@@@ers out there. Out of form at the moment, definitely. He needs a spell in the reserves to work back into some form, but there is certainly no need to trade him, especially after a disappointing year which would drag his value down.

Crouch has been overall very good since he has returned. I thought he'd be on the retirees list a month ago, but he's shown he's probably got a fair few more good years in him.

Everitt will retire. He is embarrassing at the moment, as much as it pains me to admit it.

[liz]

Moore - Not slow. Not lightning pace, but he has enough toe to keep him going. And he can definitely kick. Don't know what games you've been watching, but he is one of our best deliverers inside 50, and one of our best shots at goal.

Buchanan - Yes, poor disposal. But at his best, breaks tackles and puts in the 1 percenters, and provides some much needed spark to our often phlegmatic midfield. I think of all your suggestions though, Buchy is the most likely to be traded. Perhaps Roos showing faith in him earlier in the year, when he wasn't doing that well, was part of a strategy to boost his trade value.

I think there are a lot of similarities in the skills of Moore and Buchanan. Both are very capable deliverers of the footy inside 50. Go back to 2005/6 and Monty was the absolute best in the team at finding a forward target from a short pass from just outside 50. At their best, both have good vision and are creative.

But I think they also both lack natural endurance and are just a tad slower than they'd ideally be for the roles they play. Monty is fitter than Moore at the moment - he's had longer in the system - but I reckon he's dropped down a notch or two from where he was a couple of years back. And I suspect it is this straining for an extra yard of speed / space that means they tend to kick fractionally before they are properly balanced and hence they tend to spray the ball at times. Watch either of them when they know they're in the clear and with a little time and they generally use the ball pretty well.

Ironically Jack and O'Dwyer have the opposite problem - though it's definitely something Jack has improved on this year. They are both so often travelling at break-neck speed that they fail to slow down sufficiently to get their balance, and thus they can spray kicks too.

[ScottH]

For me the trade bait include several of any of the following but I doubt would attract much

Grundy - slow and not a good football sense
LRT - Nobody would take him I suspect
Moore - slow and cannot kick
Fozzie - past it
Buchanan - may attract a decent swap - poor disposal
Abblett - slow and poor disposal

Crouch - retire
Spider - retire

Moore? Cannot Kick. he's one of the most accurate field kicks in the team.
Fossie's first game back, for the year. Can't see how you come to the conclusion he's past it after one game.

[ScottH]

Funny you mention Diesel. I was musing to Swantastic over the table at the Riser about how Jarrod Moore reminds me of him. Not horribly fast, not even particularly skilful to be honest. A bloody hard worker & perfectly suited to the Swans stoppage-based game plan.

Got to be joking there.

[Snake]

My predictions:

Spider - Retired
Matthews - Retired

Davis - Delisted
Smith - Delisted

Moore - 2009 Bobby Skilton Medal Winner