The official Swans are a @@@@@@ up bag of rabble thread....

[Melbournehammer]

Lost any sense of direction, fight, game plan, skills

anything else ?

[dendol]

yet again we managed to get flogged by collingwood. Couldnt even give a whimper for 99% of the match. Our defence can't spoil and bleeds goals, our midfield cant win a contested or loose ball, and our forward line consists of a big angry man yelling at midgets who can't find the middle of the big sticks. We're @@@@@@.

[reigning premier]

yet again we managed to get flogged by collingwood. Couldnt even give a whimper for 99% of the match. Our defence can't spoil and bleeds goals, our midfield cant win a contested or loose ball, and our forward line consists of a big angry man yelling at midgets who can't find the middle of the big sticks. We're @@@@@@.

And if Collingwood are a bunch of no hopers/also rans... What does that make us?

[Mogg0]

Bull@@@@, Buchanan's done enough to warrant another contract. Hall is also worth the year left on his contract.

The rest, LRT, Spida, Mathews, and Kennelly probably need to go. We may seem harsh on Tadgh, but he's played @@@@ all year, his shoulders are bunged and he's lost his pace and confidence.

Just think, heading into 2010, we'll most likely lose Hall, MOL, Leo, Kirk, and maybe Jude or Craig. We're @@@@@@.

[reigning premier]

Just think, heading into 2010, we'll most likely lose Hall, MOL, Leo, Kirk, and maybe Jude or Craig. We're @@@@@@.

So therefore, is it worth keeping Hall at all?

[dendol]

And if Collingwood are a bunch of no hopers/also rans... What does that make us?

we're just shizen housen

[Mogg0]

It's a valid point, but I'm not too fond of the idea of having a forward line consisting of MOL, O'Keefe, Veszpremi and whoever else draws a short straw.

At least with Hall there you can take some of the pressure off Veszpremi, who before long will become our major target up forward. If he gets a cameo role under Hall it'll help him with his development and he won't break down under the pressure.

[Mogg0]

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So therefore, is it worth keeping Hall at all?

It's a valid point, but I'm not too fond of the idea of having a forward line consisting of MOL, O'Keefe, Veszpremi and whoever else draws a short straw.

At least with Hall there you can take some of the pressure off Veszpremi, who before long will become our major target up forward. If he gets a cameo role under Hall it'll help him with his development and he won't break down under the pressure.

[reigning premier]

It's a valid point, but I'm not too fond of the idea of having a forward line consisting of MOL, O'Keefe, Veszpremi and whoever else draws a short straw.

At least with Hall there you can take some of the pressure off Veszpremi, who before long will become our major target up forward. If he gets a cameo role under Hall it'll help him with his development and he won't break down under the pressure.

Agreed. But we could go hard in the trade period and get oursleves younger, key fwd that could mature with Vez.

[MarshallG]

Lost the Mojo?

Either that or it ain't working no more.

[sprite]

We have Henry as long as stays fit, who could play the lead up role

[Mogg0]

Agreed. But we could go hard in the trade period and get oursleves younger, key fwd that could mature with Vez.

Perhaps, but I doubt we'd get anything valuable for Hall, and key forwards are so hard to come by. You've made me think though. 2009 is a year looking VERY unlikely in terms of finals, so a mass clean-out may have merit.

Still, if we are coached well, Hall could be used as a decoy while Vesz is allowed to roam free. Vesz looks unstoppable on the lead. It's whether we can execute the decoy well, and if even Hawthorn can't manage it with Roughead and Franklin, I doubt our ability.

[dendol]

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It's a valid point, but I'm not too fond of the idea of having a forward line consisting of MOL, O'Keefe, Veszpremi and whoever else draws a short straw.

At least with Hall there you can take some of the pressure off Veszpremi, who before long will become our major target up forward. If he gets a cameo role under Hall it'll help him with his development and he won't break down under the pressure.

I highly doubt Vez will be our primary target up forward, and especially not "before long".

[reigning premier]

Perhaps, but I doubt we'd get anything valuable for Hall, and key forwards are so hard to come by. You've made me think though. 2009 is a year looking VERY unlikely in terms of finals, so a mass clean-out may have merit.

Still, if we are coached well, Hall could be used as a decoy while Vesz is allowed to roam free. Vesz looks unstoppable on the lead. It's whether we can execute the decoy well, and if even Hawthorn can't manage it with Roughead and Franklin, I doubt our ability.

In that vein, as much as it pains me, well then should we add MO'L to that list??? If we accept that 2009 is a write off, then why not give another potential fwd a chance and a season under his belt?

[Mogg0]

I highly doubt Vez will be our primary target up forward, and especially not "before long".

Mate, I think you're forgetting that Hall and MOL have about a year left respectively. O'Keefe is a trouper but doesn't have the height or goal-kicking prowess to draw more than a second-rate defender.

If we assume in 2010 that we'll be minus Hall and MOL, that leaves Vesz, O'Keefe and... Grundy? Davis? Goodesy? (I hope not, we need him as a utility)

It looks grim, and Vesz is probably our tallest natural forward and best overhead mark as a result. It'll be Vesz as a main target.

It'll be a couple of years before Goodesy cements a permanent place up forward, so until then I'd be betting on Vesz.