retirement

[connolly]

We have so few match-winners on the list, I would keep Davis.

He won a match three seasons ago (apart from the reserves match in Canberra this year apparently). More accurate to describe him as the Andy Warhol of footy. The fifteen minutes of fame (that almost exactly how long it lasted) is part of history.

[Plugger46]

If we were serious, most of the following should be tapped on the shoulder for different reasons:

1
4
10
19
21
28
31

Of these, I would only keep the two captains, on a year-to-year basis.

We have so few match-winners on the list, I would keep Davis.

That's too many in one year. Hall, O'Loughlin and Kirk are still playing good footy. While they're doing that, they can keep playing. The rest of them are struggling.

[Melbournehammer]

Thats one more match than bevan.

this pavlovian response is bizarre particularly given bevans poor performance on the weekend (a performance in which he was far from alone so i don't think criticism should be particularly directed towards him.

besides look again at the final series in 2005, as well as the gf in 2006 and you will see someone who chased and competed

like many a half forward flanker he is a confidence player and when he has been treated like a pariah he has not been confident.

whether he would want to be kept or whether the club will let him go is now up to the club and him.

and he will always have my gratitude because i was there that night and i remember how depressed i was at 3/4 time.

i dont remember ever being grateful for bevan, other than thinking there are a lot of others in the league that might do what he has ac hieved

[swansrule100]

He won a match three seasons ago (apart from the reserves match in Canberra this year apparently). More accurate to describe him as the Andy Warhol of footy. The fifteen minutes of fame (that almost exactly how long it lasted) is part of history.

can we just take it as a given that if davis is mentioned you think he is under achieving, useless, doesnt chase or tackle and want him gone and then you will eventually compare him to bevan who is the best ever?

ok we know what you think we get it its done!

[SCOTTIE]

Brett Kirk leads the league in tackles, is 4th in clearances and leads the Swans in disposals and contested posessions and yet he should retire?

[Darren Thomson]

Retire Kirk? Have you gone mad. He is the Robert HArvey of our side and with the way he plays could play on indefinitely. What he needs is to have a quick midfield built around his toughness. Leave Jude there for a year or two, hope Ablett gets form back and hunt up some pace. Fair enough retire some of the older players and do so with their dignity intact. Some of these, most of these blokes your talking about are great servants of the club who busted a gut to get us a flag. Correct it is a young blokes game, but you still need leaders and are we as a suppoter group prepared to cop the pain of a few mediocre years while the youg blokes find their feet and other imports fit intop the side. If we whinge about losses and bag the players relentlessly as does the Melbourne press, how is that constructive? Look at how much better we as ateam have handled ourselves as opposed to the WC evils. How much can these blokes give? Not enough to satisfy some people obviously

[jenky28]

Apparently all the life members of the club that retire make a farewell speach at the bnf so at least i will have last photo opportunities and hear the speachs!

[Bear]

That's too many in one year. Hall, O'Loughlin and Kirk are still playing good footy. While they're doing that, they can keep playing. The rest of them are struggling.

I don't regard good footy as playing 8-9 games in a year and being an uncontrollable embarrassment to our football club. Hall has 'STRUGGLED' big time this year, and since 05 in fact.

I don't call leading to the boundary line or pushing opponents out to get a mark or crum good footy. O'Loughlin has no pace and rarely wins a one-out marking contest on a straight lead. He starts 5 metres in front and gets spoiled continually. That is 'struggling'. If he's playing 'good footy', how many goals has he kicked this year?

Kirk are Leo are doing well enough to play on, but are year-to-year at this stage. Most importantly, there is no-one to take the vital place of either of them.

[DST]

Very simple, Matthews and Everitt should be given the option to retire and if they don't they will be delisted.

Both Crouch and Leo Barry may still have something to offer, but this decision should be left to the club and their list management team. If the club feels they still need cover for what they offer then by all means keep them. But a couple of youngsters will be given first crack for their roles like Jack, Bird, Moore and Thornton (but for injury) got this year.

Laidlaw for Crouch and one of Faulks or Murphy for Leo.

Trade for a CHB, such as Kosi form the Saints.

Would be interesting to see a team Round 1 like this:

FB: Bevan C Bolton Faulks
HB: Malceski Kosi Thornton
C: Goodes Bird Kennelly
HF: ROK Hall Vespremi
FF: Moore MOL White

R: Jolly Kirk McVeigh

Int: Currie, Jack, Mattner, Laidlaw

Emg: Fosdike, J Bolton, Schmidt, Barlow and take your pick of DOK, Merideth. Murphy or our first pick from the 2008 draft

One key position defender signing, a couple more youngsters in Thornton, Faulks, Currie, Laidlaw and White will give us a further new look after this years first phase over haul.

DST

[Bear]

Both Crouch and Leo Barry may still have something to offer, but this decision should be left to the club and their list management team.

Lol. Didn't you know RWO makes these decisions for the club??

[connolly]

Very simple, Matthews and Everitt should be given the option to retire and if they don't they will be delisted.

Both Crouch and Leo Barry may still have something to offer, but this decision should be left to the club and their list management team. If the club feels they still need cover for what they offer then by all means keep them. But a couple of youngsters will be given first crack for their roles like Jack, Bird, Moore and Thornton (but for injury) got this year.

Laidlaw for Crouch and one of Faulks or Murphy for Leo.

Trade for a CHB, such as Kosi form the Saints.

Would be interesting to see a team Round 1 like this:

FB: Bevan C Bolton Faulks
HB: Malceski Kosi Thornton
C: Goodes Bird Kennelly
HF: ROK Hall Vespremi
FF: Moore MOL White

R: Jolly Kirk McVeigh

Int: Currie, Jack, Mattner, Laidlaw

Emg: Fosdike, J Bolton, Schmidt, Barlow and take your pick of DOK, Merideth. Murphy or our first pick from the 2008 draft

One key position defender signing, a couple more youngsters in Thornton, Faulks, Currie, Laidlaw and White will give us a further new look after this years first phase over haul.

DST

That looks pretty good under the circumstances. Bit harsh on Jude after his good season. Also if we can't snag Kosi, would love to see Murphy line up at CHB. An Irish half back line! (The Macedonians are the Irish of the Balkans)

[hammo]

Nice theory but how do you propose getting Kosi on the list?

I think we should investigate it but not at the expense of our first round pick.

[Nico]

Trouble is they would all get murdered at the moment. No doubt they are great options, but you would want them coming in and playing their first dozen games off the bench, not in a key post like full back.

Murphy - Only played a handful of games, will be a star, but not ready.

Faulks - Like the boy, still trying to find his feet, let alone at full back.

White - Isn't a full back, never has been and never will be.

There comes a point when those on slide meet those on the up. Nothing sadder than seeing players go one season too many and ending looking genuine hacks. When the sliders go below the newies and we haven't given the newies enough time that is when the damage is done. At the meeting point if the newies are getting flogged then so too will the sliders, so it is a no brainer as to which way you should go. Leo might look good while fresh at the start of next season but like the last 2 years he will fall away, and the 1 year too much syndrome will be a double whammy.

I believe it is 3 years running that Leo has had serious hamstring injuries in the second half of the season. Time to put games into new defenders.

[Nico]

Retire Kirk? Have you gone mad. He is the Robert HArvey of our side and with the way he plays could play on indefinitely. What he needs is to have a quick midfield built around his toughness. Leave Jude there for a year or two, hope Ablett gets form back and hunt up some pace. Fair enough retire some of the older players and do so with their dignity intact. Some of these, most of these blokes your talking about are great servants of the club who busted a gut to get us a flag. Correct it is a young blokes game, but you still need leaders and are we as a suppoter group prepared to cop the pain of a few mediocre years while the youg blokes find their feet and other imports fit intop the side. If we whinge about losses and bag the players relentlessly as does the Melbourne press, how is that constructive? Look at how much better we as ateam have handled ourselves as opposed to the WC evils. How much can these blokes give? Not enough to satisfy some people obviously

Thommo you are a supreme optimist. Ablett has got slower and his forms gets worse by the game. For him to regain form and find some pace would indeed be a MIRACLE!!!!! There is though a remote chance that he could find some form (that might be in the 2's though), but pace, NEVER!!!!

[DST]

Nice theory but how do you propose getting Kosi on the list?

I think we should investigate it but not at the expense of our first round pick.

Don't know, but agree that our first pick must remain.

As it is a strong draft maybe a very late first rounder or first up second rounder might be worth something to St Kilda for him as maybe it's time for the Saints and Kosi to part ways in order to be beneficial for both parties.

Let's put a list together of tallish KP potential players who maybe of interest:

Mundy of Fremantle and Boyle of Hawthorn come to mind. Surely Geelong must have KP defenders not likely to get a game anytime soon with the senior side they have.

Any other out there?

DST