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Finalists deserve draft reward: Roos
Swans coach Paul Roos says clubs should be given concessions for consistently strong performances
Swans coach Paul Roos says clubs should be given concessions for consistently strong performances
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"Everyone will be watching Carlton to see if they can win a premiership by going down the bottom three or four years in a row," he said.
"In a way that may be dangerous because, if they do, teams will strategise and try and put that (practice) into place."
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Roosey's getting awfully chatty all of a sudden.
Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.Comment
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While I don't know how such a system would work, I've always thought it ludicrous that we have a system that rewards poor play. I understand why it is done, but the fact that you had a game last year (Carlton v Melbourne) in which loser stood to gain significantly to me is pretty ridiculous.
Talk of teams tanking will always exist while it is in some way beneficial to perform poorly throughout a season.Comment
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Honestly - I wish he would shut the @@@@ up...
Fact is that rewarding well performed teams would perpetuate the tendency for good teams to get better and @@@@ teams to get worse. He may be a good coach, our Roosy, but sometimes I wonder about his basic intellect.
Just comes across as whining.He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.Comment
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...I've said it before and I'll say it again - the AFL should simply introduce a rotational draft (i.e. in a full 16 year period each of the 16 clubs gets the #1 pick in one of those years).
Having a system based on performance is flawed and only rewards poor performance (and can create club tanking), plus it is also no guarantee for success - so why not just eliminate it.
More than anything else a draft system should be in place to produce equitable opportunity, not simply to even out the poor performers with the good performers. It is up to the systems in place at each of those clubs to capitalise on those opportunities - after all isn't that why you go to the footy and barrack for your club?
All supporters should want to see is a relatively even playing field, where each club pits their best against the opposition's best week in, week out, each and every year. Competition is after all the name of the game.Comment
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I like that he is talking.
It is ridiculous that a team that has made two grand finals and won a premiership and is in their 6th straight finals series is talked down in the media so badly - so often.
Richmond, Carlton etc have been horrendus and their players proved nothing at all, yet are praised for having youth. I imagine it is very frustrating for Roos, we haven't even got to play our final in 2008 yet our 2009 season is done and dusted according to the media!Comment
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Rewarding finals with draft picks is absurd. Tanking for draft picks is too. Strangely, Chas from the Chasers had a very sensible and workable solution a few months ago in one of the papers.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Maybe Roos' rotational idea would work for the second or third round of the draft, but not the first round.
It's also true that the Swans have been consistently successful in the last 13 years, earning only a few single-digit picks in that time. No wonder Roos is making these suggestions. Other coaches are known to do the same, such as Sheedy wanting more on the bench so he could rotate more players.
There should be a lottery for the first three picks, similar to the lotteries in US sport (basketball?). With a lottery, finishing on the bottom gives a higher chance of getting that pick but no guarantee of getting it, and first pick could go to any club that missed the finals. Under that system, the bottom club would be guaranteed no worse than fourth pick."Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi finalComment
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Knocking Roos goes through cycles on here like fashion. Flavour of the month when we win, rubbish when we don't. My attitude is that he talks more sense more often than almost anyone in the game..from Demetriou down. He thinks about what he says, doesn't shoot from the hip and shows regard and courtesy to most. Go Roosy!Comment
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His intellect is fine. I think you missed the key point in his idea.
He's not saying that Geelong should get the number one pick, he's simply suggesting that teams who have consistently been finishing in the top half of the ladder should get some type of reward."If you reward teams for that consistency of performance that would be a really positive step," Roos said.
"That would certainly be one way to make sure teams stay consistently competitive.
"There's not much reward for continually maintaining a high standard. We tend to reward teams that go down the bottom of the ladder.
"I can understand that system, I'm fine with that, but possibly there could be a way of helping teams that are consistently competitive.
"I haven't sat down and worked out how that system would work, but there is definitely some merit in it being discussed."
How you can think this is whining is baffling. It's a perfectly logical and fair idea, which should be looked at.Comment
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He is not consistent...
Check this out
Sunday 24th of August and he says the Swans have run their race...
Swans have run their race, says Roos - realfooty.com.au
Monday the 25th, he notes that we cannot afford to bottom out."You would have to say from a neutral point of view that this group has run out ? it's hard to go back to the well all the time. There's guys there that have just given everything over the last five-and-a-half years and at the moment other teams are lifting, and obviously we're playing some young kids as well, but our group as we know it, that's been so good, is just not capable of producing the performances they once were."
Ailing Swans in need of fresh Bloods - realfooty.com.au
Then Wednesday 3rd,SYDNEY coach Paul Roos has long held the philosophy, which he repeated again before and after Saturday night's clash with Collingwood, that the Swans simply cannot afford to "bottom out".
The northern market is fickle and unforgiving. Roos believes, and he's hardly alone, that even one poor return in the chase for longer-term success could be very costly in terms of support, membership and the corporate dollar.
Roos stays, takes swipe at Carlton - realfooty.com.au
Denying his club had ever felt the need to remain in the top half of the ladder because of marketing pressures in a non-traditional AFL city, Roos said he had been genuinely excited by the progress of his six debutants this year, along with youngsters Jarred Moore, Kieren Jack and Heath Grundy."We're certainly not gloom and doom up here," Roos said. "We're in the finals and eight teams are not. I find it funny in Melbourne that you're reading about how exciting teams out of the eight are and that we're coming to the end of an era. It sounds catchy, I know, and (before last Saturday night's win over the Brisbane Lions) our win-loss ration was two and six but the fact is we've made the finals again and it's six years in a row and I'm very proud of what this group has achieved.Even allowing for journalistic license and lack of context, I cannot fathom that chopping and changing."I don't think we could finish on the bottom three years in a row like Carlton did. Or was it four? I certainly think, however, that we could sell a rebuilding program and philosophically, I do think we need to take some kids in the next draft.He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.Comment
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Perhaps my intellect is at fault here, but rewarding consistently high performing teams will also tend to maintain that performance or what is the point. The draft is designed to benefit the competition rather than individual teams by ensuring each team has the opportunity for success over an extended period, notwithstanding gross imcompetency of the Fremantle variety. We are supposed to have some dud years so that somone else can have a go in the eight. That's the point.He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.Comment
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I don't think rewarding a few of the most consistent teams would damage anything. No one is suggesting the top 5 picks get shared between the top 5 teams, just that consistent teams should be moved up in the pecking order.
I doubt we'll go on a rampaging threepeat just because we get an extra first rounder.Comment
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What you're suggesting is that maybe if a club gets an extra pick say in the 20's out of whack with the rotaional system they have now, is tantamount to cheque book recruiting that kept Carlton at the top for decades.
The man thinks outside the square and perhaps that has a bit to do with us winning a flag and staying near the top.
Perhaps an IQ comparison between you and he might settle the argument as to his intellect.Comment
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