Ryan O'Keefe heading south?

[Kanga]

Good Point.

Not sure if there is anyone at North that we would want. Don't know your list that well, but I'm confident in stating that your on ballers are similar to ours when it comes to speed.

Pretty sure there is no one!!...... O'Keefe is like a Rolls Royce version of Corey Jones.

[Legs Akimbo]

So if Hawthorn do win the flag you will deem 10 years of constant failure (ok then 4 years under the clarkson regime but the "rebuilding pahse" at the hawks started around the Judge years) and hanging around the bottom 4 for draft picks to be the correct model for list management?

I think its an indication of all things wrong if the hawks do win a flag and it has come during a long rebuiling phase.

Clearly hanging around the bottom for any duration is poor list management. Good list management is correct assessment of the state of the list and whether it is premiership material. If the list is stuffed, start turning it over. if this list is okay, then trade to get a winning list. Either way you may slide or go up. Going nowhere is the problem.

If you look at it probabilistically, Hawthorn's last flag was in 1991, so 17 years vis 18 teams in comp. We waited 70 years.

[goswannie14]

O'Keefe could fly south next winter - realfooty.com.au

That's it - he has to go!

He's obviously never been totally committed to the Swans then.