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  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #46
    Goddard is one of StKilda's most important players (probably #2 after Riewoldt). I'd swap any player on our list for him. Able to get the ball, uses it beautifully and a good mark.
    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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    • BSA5
      Senior Player
      • Feb 2008
      • 2522

      #47
      Goddard is a good player, but overrated, possibly because of his Number 1 pick status. He is versatile, which is good, but I find he often struggles to really ever exert himself on a game. He rarely takes games by the scruff of the neck, so to speak. He isn't a superstar. He is a very good solid contributor. Although I have to admit, he stepped up a lot this year, particularly in the latter half.
      Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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      • NMWBloods
        Taking Refuge!!
        • Jan 2003
        • 15819

        #48
        Originally posted by BSA5
        Goddard is a good player, but overrated, possibly because of his Number 1 pick status. He is versatile, which is good, but I find he often struggles to really ever exert himself on a game. He rarely takes games by the scruff of the neck, so to speak. He isn't a superstar. He is a very good solid contributor. Although I have to admit, he stepped up a lot this year, particularly in the latter half.
        I think he struggled in the first few years of his career, but I suspect part of that was expectation given his number one pick and injury. He started to show some really good signs in '06 but was injured in '07, and like McVeigh he really advanced significantly this year I felt and I expect him to do so again next year.
        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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        • DeadlyAkkuret
          Veterans List
          • Oct 2006
          • 4547

          #49
          Originally posted by NMWBloods
          Goddard is one of StKilda's most important players (probably #2 after Riewoldt). I'd swap any player on our list for him. Able to get the ball, uses it beautifully and a good mark.
          Just had to bold this to make sure I'm seeing it clearly. That's close to the most ridiculous comment made on RWO and there's some strong competition.

          I'm hoping it was tongue-in-cheek.

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          • Swans_Lad11
            On the Rookie List
            • Jun 2007
            • 22

            #50
            Personally I don't see anything wrong with what we are doing now. I don't subscribe to the "bottoming out" theory. Our success comes mainly from a good solid work ethic and a team spirit that leads the players to play for eachother rather than personal glories and star status. We aren't a team like Brisbane, Port or Essendon, and honestly any so called star players, such as Kerr, Fovola etc wouldn't really fit into the team.
            We don't play classy football so really don't need classy players, we would be better off getting someone like David Wojcinski rather than Daniel Kerr (who is way overpriced and probably overrated anyway), Wojo would fit much easier and more successfully in the side simply because he comes from a similar environment.
            I for one still have plenty of faith in what Paul Roos is doing and trying to accomplish, and they way he is going about it. Afterall, Geelong's success was built on the same model that Roos used for our success. Ok the Cats probably play more attractive football but they have the sort of players that can play that way. The general game plan though is exactly the same, which proves that it still works. We proved it this season, a bit of luck and we could have finished in the top 4, we aren't that far away from more success in the future, and we can do it a hell of a lot more cheaply than wasting money and time on so called superstars!

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            • DeadlyAkkuret
              Veterans List
              • Oct 2006
              • 4547

              #51
              Originally posted by Swans_Lad11
              We don't play classy football so really don't need classy players
              Wouldn't that be why we do need more classy players?

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #52
                Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                Just had to bold this to make sure I'm seeing it clearly. That's close to the most ridiculous comment made on RWO and there's some strong competition.

                I'm hoping it was tongue-in-cheek.
                I thought I'd said 'nearly' - I wouldn't swap Goodes, C Bolton or Jolly (although he is 4-5 years younger...)

                Who else wouldn't you swap for him?
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • DeadlyAkkuret
                  Veterans List
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 4547

                  #53
                  I wouldn't give up O'Keefe. Goddard is much younger but O'Keefe can't be replaced.

                  Before this year I would have said Malceski, but I don't know if he'll be the same player since the surgery.

                  So yeah, there's probably 4 I'd have in our side before Goddard.

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                  • Swans_Lad11
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 22

                    #54
                    Not really, we play a different style of game. Paul Roos has put together a game plan that produces the results without the need for razzle dazzle football and its success is proven in the fact that we are currently enjoying by far the longest consecutive finals run in the AFL. Infact if we make the Finals next season, and I believe we will be back on the "up curve" next season, we will then have the record for most successive Finals campaigns since the AFL became trully national. Also the fact that we have only missed the Finals twice since 1997 when the current setup of the comp began speaks for itself.
                    The current list is not totally dissimilar to the late 90's list. We Haven't needed spectacular players to build our success and getting them now would only upset the balance of the team. I would rather have an honest working class team such as our 2005/06 side than one like the Geelong "superstar" side of 89-95 which won nothing. Besides the West Coast, Port Adelaide and Essendon sides of recent times never did much more than what we have achieved and look where they are now, compared to where we are.

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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #55
                      Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                      I wouldn't give up O'Keefe. Goddard is much younger but O'Keefe can't be replaced.

                      Before this year I would have said Malceski, but I don't know if he'll be the same player since the surgery.

                      So yeah, there's probably 4 I'd have in our side before Goddard.
                      I think Goddard is better value than O'Keefe.
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • DeadlyAkkuret
                        Veterans List
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 4547

                        #56
                        What if Roos retires at the end of 2009 and our next coach doesn't know how to handle an average but hard working list? I have a lot of admiration for what our team has done over the past decade or so, but that doesn't mean it will stay that way forever.

                        We may not need a stack of elite players, but to suggest we're better off without them is baffling at the least.

                        P.S. In response to SL11's comments above.

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                        • DeadlyAkkuret
                          Veterans List
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 4547

                          #57
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          I think Goddard is better value than O'Keefe.
                          In raw terms and due to the age difference, probably, but if we lost O'Keefe and gained Goddard, who would he kick the ball to?

                          Even at 27-28 I'd class O'Keefe as a more elite player than Goddard, but that's always going to be debatable.

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                          • NMWBloods
                            Taking Refuge!!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15819

                            #58
                            Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                            In raw terms and due to the age difference, probably, but if we lost O'Keefe and gained Goddard, who would he kick the ball to?

                            Even at 27-28 I'd class O'Keefe as a more elite player than Goddard, but that's always going to be debatable.
                            Who does ROK kick the ball to now? He spends most of his time as a midfielder so I think we would get better value out of a real midfielder (yes, Goddard has been mainly a half back flanker but is starting to play more in the midfield).
                            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                            • Swans_Lad11
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 22

                              #59
                              DeadlyAkkuret, it would then be up to the club to appoint someone with the ability to work with the list. Though if that happened I wouldn't be suprised if John Longmire took over anyway, I might be wrong but I think he maybe getting groomed for the eventual replacement.
                              In any case I think Roos may be planning to stick around for a while yet, he seems to be really enjoying the challenge and is on the verge of building another Premiership challenge.

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                              • DeadlyAkkuret
                                Veterans List
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 4547

                                #60
                                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                Who does ROK kick the ball to now? He spends most of his time as a midfielder so I think we would get better value out of a real midfielder (yes, Goddard has been mainly a half back flanker but is starting to play more in the midfield).
                                I was referring to O'Keefe having the ball kicked to him, not delivering it to forwards himself.

                                He's a forward option and a bloody good one, not to mention everything else he offers the team. Not easily replaced.

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