what do we do if a trade for rok isnt done?

[liz]

Understand where you are coming from re Thorp, but it is risky if he ends up playing 10 years of great footy and Hawthorn don't win another premiership while ROK is still playing.

It is also talked that Thorp could be the best of him, Boyle and Dowler to adapt to a KP Defender role which is what the Hawks still need.

DST

If clubs never traded a player they thought might play good football at another club, everyone would go stark raving bonkers worried about "what ifs". When the Swans traded a club favourite last year they knew he was capable of contributing to the Saints. They knew he might even kick the winning goal against us one match. But they assessed there was another player on the list capable of covering him in the Swans 22 and chose to mix up the mix in the squad (whether you view that we traded him for Mattner or for Meredith).

And I have no doubt that Thorp is potentially the best of the three. The other two don't tickle my fancy at all.

[goswannies]

I'd rather we lost him for nothing in the PSD than let the reigning premiers rip us a new one. Even if he landed up at Carlton, it would be better to see him play with them and increase their competitiveness

Why would you want him at Carton - who have stolen Swans for years (Rhys-Jones, Mitchell - via Collingwood, Williams) - and are being set up as the next contender with #1 picks aplenty for years?

Melbourne, yes - RO'K will have sired a father-son selection before they shake the top 8 again.

But if he signs for a final 3 years with the Swans, what's wrong with that? As long as he plays a good standard of football, he's valuable. He's a strong mark, handy goal kicker at times and a good runner.

Sure, the Hawks number #1 pick and a player would be great, but if they wont come to the party, why do so many people want ROK punished for trying to get the last bit of ga$ out of his career tank? Does anyone see him being a career coach or in the media post his AFL playing days?

[msb]

Just confirmed on CH 10 news sport report that hawks are not willing to give up pick 16 as a trade for o'keefe and those scum from carlton are enticing him into the PSD with a huge offer! We are in big danger of losing him for nothing here unless we can somehow convince him to stay or accept a crap trade

[Robbo]

I would be prepared to cave in and settle for a 2nd rounder on it's own, as long as it's not Hawthorn we're dealing with.

As much as I hate giving up players for less that what they're worth, it's better than giving them up for free.

[reigning premier]

Hawthorn will cave.

ROK is the best talent in the draft this year and they are in teh beginning of a big premiership window. Picking up a 18yo now does nothing for them. Picking up a proven performer and premiership player does everything to enhance their opportunities over the next 3, 4 & 5 years.

They are not in a position to bargain. And if they don't give us what we want, we really haven't lost anything anyway. Except maybe the chance that he may stay.

Over to you Hawthorn....

[Glenn]

Sports Tonight saying talks have broken down with the Hawks...
ROK to Melbourne in the PSD...enjoy the spoon collecting Ryan

[hammo]

Hawthorn will cave.

ROK is the best talent in the draft this year and they are in teh beginning of a big premiership window. Picking up a 18yo now does nothing for them. Picking up a proven performer and premiership player does everything to enhance their opportunities over the next 3, 4 & 5 years.

They are not in a position to bargain. And if they don't give us what we want, we really haven't lost anything anyway. Except maybe the chance that he may stay.

Over to you Hawthorn....

It's a case of take it or leave it for Hawthorn. They've got a great forward line already and recruiting O'Keefe will merely give them salary cap pressure that they don't really need. If they can get O'Keefe on the cheap they will but I can't see them trying too hard to be honest.

[573v30]

Sports Tonight saying talks have broken down with the Hawks...
ROK to Melbourne in the PSD...enjoy the spoon collecting Ryan

What are crap result for both parties if that happens, Swans and ROK that is.

[liz]

Roos wants to get some more pace into the midfield...

1.30pm Pelchen still being a dick. Roosy gives mate Rossy a call and say, hey there, how about getting ROK - you always loved ROK, didn't you Rossy -giving us pick 31 and sending the Schneiderman back up the highway...

Not a perfect outcome but sure beats being bent over by the Pilchard and at least enables O'Keefe to go to Melbourne to play with a decent team.

[reigning premier]

It's a case of take it or leave it for Hawthorn. They've got a great forward line already and recruiting O'Keefe will merely give them salary cap pressure that they don't really need. If they can get O'Keefe on the cheap they will but I can't see them trying too hard to be honest.

I'll bet a sly twenty $ that Stewie has already been on the phone with the Bummers, Port, Melbourne and Carlton running a dutch auction. Should it all go pear shaped with the Dawks, there will be a cple of offers in front of ROK from other clubs before he has time to scratch himself. All of them better than pick 34 and someone they want to unload.

[Glenn]

What are crap result for both parties if that happens, Swans and ROK that is.

Karma to Ryan for putting a unrealistic price out there, would be great to have him stay in Sydney but no player can't be replaced.