Collingwood pull crowds? No way!

[PatFoyFanClub]

Dave, Dave, Dave...

Now stop changing the subject.....now you bring up about Buckley....nothing to do with him.....and NO I dont think he will win it anyway....

So long as we have contributors and no passengers Im happy......isnt that the emphasis on your team?

[Dave]

Originally posted by PatFoyFanClub
Dave, Dave, Dave...

Now stop changing the subject.....now you bring up about Buckley....nothing to do with him.....and NO I dont think he will win it anyway....

So long as we have contributors and no passengers Im happy......isnt that the emphasis on your team?

PatFoyFanClub, PatFoyFanClub, PatFoyFanClub...

All I'm doing is shooting your logic down in flames. You are the one who introduced "bragging rights"

I'm afraid my friend, that every one of your arguements is flawed and easily dispersed with such ease that it's embarrasing!

I shall give you some advice:

NEVER MISS A CHANCE TO SHUT UP!

[Joel]

masey, the article is talking about this year.

[TheMase]

Originally posted by Joel
masey, the article is talking about this year.

So? They still hold no records and aren't even up there interstate.

Their support outside Victoria is WAY WAY WAY overrated.
I have no doubt about their support down there however.

[Joel]

Originally posted by TheMase
So? They still hold no records and aren't even up there interstate.

Their support outside Victoria is WAY WAY WAY overrated.
I have no doubt about their support down there however.

Who cares? No one ever mentioned interstate. Having said that, we draw roughly the same as Essendon interstate, you cannot knock us for doing that.

[SXP]

There's one thing we have to admit that every club that plays good will draw a crowd and that includes Collingwood. If you read the article about so called blockbuster games you would notice that people don't go to those over-hyped games if one of the playing teams is crap. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts here that even people in Melbourne now decide to watch only those games that they find interesting, and that includes any of interstate clubs. Welcome to national competition.
As far as Collingwood being a drawing card I'd this. As long as they play well people will go and watch them, if they start playing like Carlton or Richmond this season, guess what's going to happen. You saw the stats from previous years.

[Bear]

when Collingwood play in Melb they mainly have two supporter bases at the game (e.g. Coll v Rich, Ess, Geel, Haw, Carl, etc) so theoretically they should nearly double ours in terms of average crowds* - they don't which proves we have better crowds as only our team's supporters can realistically turn up in Syd

in terms of avaerage home crowds, add this to the fact that many of our supporters cannot actually come to HOME games (i.e. the ave 10,000 Melb-based supporters that go to Melb games) and our numbers are even more impressive

in any case, we are by far the most supported team in the league, according to Morgan research (and common sense), and we exist in a much, much, much, more competitive sports entertainment market

* this may be too confusing for Coll supporters

[footyhead]

Re: Re: Collingwood pull crowds? No way!

Originally posted by TheMase
SCG:

46,168 Sydney v Geelong S.C.G. 1997
44,047 Sydney v Geelong S.C.G. 1996
41,731 Sydney v Essendon S.C.G. 1996
41,264 Sydney v Collingwood S.C.G. 1999
41,243 Sydney v Collingwood S.C.G. 1997
40,623 Sydney v Carlton S.C.G. 1997
40,131 Sydney v Essendon S.C.G. 2001
39,827 Sydney v St Kilda S.C.G. 1997
39,763 Sydney v Hawthorn S.C.G. 1986
39,318 Sydney v West Coast S.C.G. 1997

You do not rate in Sydney.

Yeah but thats about to change ( in 3 years Collingwood will probably be in the top 5 at least 3 times) ,
but that is what is so clever and insideous about Eddies manipulation of next years fixture. He is writing himself and the Pies into the history of AFL in Sydney.
We have to stop this and take advantage of it as well. The way to do this is to beat them in Sydney, and to engender to hatred of them, so that people turn up to the games, but would prefer to defect to the Lowliest team in the competition than to the Phylthy pha- got Pies.

[neored]

Originally posted by Bear
when Collingwood play in Melb they mainly have two supporter bases at the game (e.g. Coll v Rich, Ess, Geel, Haw, Carl, etc) so theoretically they should nearly double ours in terms of average crowds* - they don't which proves we have better crowds as only our team's supporters can realistically turn up in Syd

in terms of avaerage home crowds, add this to the fact that many of our supporters cannot actually come to HOME games (i.e. the ave 10,000 Melb-based supporters that go to Melb games) and our numbers are even more impressive

in any case, we are by far the most supported team in the league, according to Morgan research (and common sense), and we exist in a much, much, much, more competitive sports entertainment market

* this may be too confusing for Coll supporters

Not that I'm a Collingwood fan, I hate them with ferocity you wouldn't understand, but using that Morgan Poll research paper as a basis of your argument is laughable.

It really depends on what you define as support. For example if someone asked me if I supported the Melbourne Storm I'd say I do. This despite the fact I dont attend games, know only a few players and dont really care whether they win/lose. The extent of my support for the Storm would be the short sports bulletin during the 6 o'clock news.

The indesputible fact is that most people in NSW dont care for AFL, care little for Sydney Swans. I'm not doubting your passion for your side, but NSW is still a rugby state.

On the other hand when 800,000 people say they support Essendon/Collingwood the majority would care about the fortunes of the side and be REAL supporters to some extent.

Lastly I find it incredible that you try to downplay the importance of the major Melbourne clubs in helping your attendance. The fact is Essendon/ Collingwood play a major part in making the games at TS blockbusters. There's a certain prestige and pride and passion that reside in the clubs. Irregardless of our ladder position we would still be able to help you attrack attendance above your average.

Lets say instead of Collingwood you were playing Fremantle this week. The stakes would be similar ; a possible top 4 position... do you honestly believe you would get anywhere near the projected attendance for the game this Saturday? I think not, and if your honest you would agree.

[TheMase]

Re: Re: Re: Collingwood pull crowds? No way!

Originally posted by footyhead
Yeah but thats about to change ( in 3 years Collingwood will probably be in the top 5 at least 3 times) ,
but that is what is so clever and insideous about Eddies manipulation of next years fixture. He is writing himself and the Pies into the history of AFL in Sydney.
We have to stop this and take advantage of it as well. The way to do this is to beat them in Sydney, and to engender to hatred of them, so that people turn up to the games, but would prefer to defect to the Lowliest team in the competition than to the Phylthy pha- got Pies.

They are SCG games only.

[TheMase]

Originally posted by neored
Lets say instead of Collingwood you were playing Fremantle this week. The stakes would be similar ; a possible top 4 position... do you honestly believe you would get anywhere near the projected attendance for the game this Saturday? I think not, and if your honest you would agree.

Might not get quite a high. But I would suggest that it would be very close.
The only difference might be the 7000 Collingwood supporters travelling up. Assume there are a few other supporters in town, and we'll say that 5000 less people will come

Hardly overly significant.

[footyhead]

Originally posted by Bear
when Collingwood play in Melb they mainly have two supporter bases at the game (e.g. Coll v Rich, Ess, Geel, Haw, Carl, etc) so theoretically they should nearly double ours in terms of average crowds* - they don't which proves we have better crowds as only our team's supporters can realistically turn up in Syd

in terms of avaerage home crowds, add this to the fact that many of our supporters cannot actually come to HOME games (i.e. the ave 10,000 Melb-based supporters that go to Melb games) and our numbers are even more impressive

in any case, we are by far the most supported team in the league, according to Morgan research (and common sense), and we exist in a much, much, much, more competitive sports entertainment market

* this may be too confusing for Coll supporters

I agree with this Bear and have thought it many times my self.
Which is another reasone I think a second Sydney team would be great. Imagine how many we could pull if their was a genuine inter city rivalry in Sydney !!

[Joel]

Originally posted by Bear


* this may be too confusing for Coll supporters

It's easy to generalise without knowing the facts, isn't it?

[neored]

Originally posted by TheMase
Might not get quite a high. But I would suggest that it would be very close.
The only difference might be the 7000 Collingwood supporters travelling up. Assume there are a few other supporters in town, and we'll say that 5000 less people will come

Hardly overly significant.

You're missing my point:

I'm not denying the overwhelming majority who will be at TS will be supporting Sydney... its a given. However the reason why they will be there will in part be due to the fact that you're playing Collingwood.

Look at how Collingwood has been presented to the NSW people by the media. Its this arrogant side, that dont rate Sydney, the pride of Melbourne against NSW. This is due to the hate factor that comes with sides like Collingwood and Essendon, in due its part to the history and the attitude of the supporters. And of course the unique passion that victorians generate for their club.

With Fremantle , there is no history (very little), you dont hate them and you dont have this deep desire to beat them ... to stick it up them. This is what attracts people to games, they want to be there just for the sake of being there . So you can claim... "hey I was there when we stuck it up the pies".

If this was a Fremantle v Sydney game I would be surprised if the crowd was anywhere near 40,000. The fact is they just dont bring out the emotion like Victorian big clubs do. Your fooling yourself to believe otherwise

[SXP]

I agree with what you're saying enored, but you also must agree with the fact that at the moment the Magpies are playing very well and that is what's causing all this interest. Do you really believe they would generate the same level of interest if they were in the bottom half of the ladder?