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  • goswannies
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2007
    • 3052

    Mike Pyke

    I was at the Crows game and got a good look at Pikey. He was one of the substitutes tonight (along with Matt O'Dwyer). Just after half time he handed the orange top to Jolly and spent much of the 2nd half getting game time.

    He's raw, but as a tall, he's certainly athletic. I think he probably got first hand on the ball more often than not, but just needs refinement in palming it down more directly to a team-mate (or in their path). Jumps well well and times his jumps well to get his hand to it. Didn't have much body-on-body work to do as far as I could tell (but you'd hope at 104kg he'd hold his own).

    In the goal-kicking warm up, he handballed all bar once. He won himself a few free "kicks"; but every time, he handballed to a nearby team-mate who disposed of it by foot. I would imagine it's a confidence thing. Unfortunately, that habit will also become predictable to the opposition.

    He seems to have a good engine. Runs a lot. When he went to the bench, seemed to not break too much of a sweat. But doesn't read the play too well... yet. Runs up and down the ground chasing the ball rather than anticipating where he should be to win the ball. Most obvious at kick-ins where he was some 80-100m away, rather than contesting the kick-in. I expect this will come with experience as he's played, what 3-4 trial games?

    Jason Ball (Swans Board Member) might be handy to give him hints on play reading as he was always good at it. Handy ruck coach too I'd have thought.

    Pikey also seemed to bump players rather than laying a tackle. I imagine that if his big frame tackled, the opposition would stay tackled.

    At 25 (in a week and a bit) I hope he comes along quickly with Ressies gametime because I reckon physically he's right to go. Certainly enthusiastic too. Pitty we didn't sign him when he was 17 or 18 and give him a few years to get used to the game. Still, if he's ready for senior football by the end of next season, we might get several servicable years out of him.

    I hope no R&WOers aren't too harsh on him as, like LRT and Tadhg were, he's a work in progress (we just started a little later). He's also quite pleasant

    Best of luck this season Mike! And Happy Birthday for March 24th
  • dimelb
    pr. dim-melb; m not f
    • Jun 2003
    • 6889

    #2
    Good to get the info from someone who was there. I've only seen him at Visy (i.e. Princes) Park, and while he had the same drawbacks he also showed the same positives. I'm sorry to hear he's dishing off handballs instead of kicking, it's a practice game isn't it, and he can kick or he wouldn't be scoring goals. I really like his persistence and I think we'll get good service from him.
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    • kangle4
      Warming the Bench
      • May 2003
      • 200

      #3
      when watching any game most ruckmen always handball off or look to hanball straight away to a nearby teammate when they have marked it or got a fee kick.

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      • Legs Akimbo
        Grand Poobah
        • Apr 2005
        • 2809

        #4
        Originally posted by kangle4
        when watching any game most ruckmen always handball off or look to hanball straight away to a nearby teammate when they have marked it or got a fee kick.
        Anyone remember Scott Wynd? He won a brownlow doing this in the Footscray backline.

        Perhaps Dean Cox's ability to run, carry and kick has warped perceptions of what the typical ruckman can and should do.
        He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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        • laughingnome
          Amateur Statsman
          • Jul 2006
          • 1624

          #5
          Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
          Perhaps Dean Cox's ability to run, carry and kick has warped perceptions of what the typical ruckman can and should do.
          You say that like it's a bad thing. What's wrong with high expectations/aspirations?
          10100111001 ;-)

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          • Primmy
            Proud Tragic Swan
            • Apr 2008
            • 5970

            #6
            Anyone remember Dunks? ALWAYS handballed out of the backline, except when the boys stood with their hands behind their backs and making him kick for their enjoyment. I have seen him miss everything from within the goal square! However, he had the safest of hands, and he could play. OK, this wasn't the ruck, but I am sure its just a confounding strategy..... So if Pikey can't kick, no biggie.
            If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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            • connolly
              Registered User
              • Aug 2005
              • 2461

              #7
              Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
              Anyone remember Scott Wynd? He won a brownlow doing this in the Footscray backline.

              Perhaps Dean Cox's ability to run, carry and kick has warped perceptions of what the typical ruckman can and should do.
              Butch Gale the great ruckman from Fitzroy who couldn't mark, kick or run and bounce much. However, fantastic palmer, full of flicks, great handballer, big in the crushes, all muscle, elbow and severe crew cut - and terrifying (at least to a little kid in the outer). No reason why the Moose can't emulate Butch even if he is a blow in.
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              • goswannie14
                Leadership Group
                • Sep 2005
                • 11166

                #8
                Originally posted by laughingnome
                You say that like it's a bad thing. What's wrong with high expectations/aspirations?
                They can be wrong if they are unrealistic.
                Does God believe in Atheists?

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                • liz
                  Veteran
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16795

                  #9
                  Originally posted by laughingnome
                  You say that like it's a bad thing. What's wrong with high expectations/aspirations?
                  Nothing wrong with high aspirations but if one judges someone who has been playing the game for six months against the best player in that position in the game then chances are he's going to come up short.

                  In any case, Cox was a spud for his first few years on the Eagles list. He was a lumbering player seen as a long way behind the Eagles' then-premier ruckman in Gardiner. Gardiner was seen as the absolute key to the Eagles' fortunes even into 2004 due to the paucity of back-up. The rate at which Cox developed from spud to absolute top class ruckman in late 2004 and into 2005 was astounding. Maybe we should give Pykey another couple of months before we expect that kind of performance from him.

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                  • goswannies
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 3052

                    #10
                    Originally posted by connolly
                    Butch Gale the great ruckman from Fitzroy who couldn't mark, kick or run and bounce much. However, fantastic palmer, full of flicks, great handballer, big in the crushes, all muscle, elbow and severe crew cut - and terrifying (at least to a little kid in the outer). No reason why the Moose can't emulate Butch even if he is a blow in.
                    A decade or two ago he could probably be playing senior footy already, but the role and the gameplay of the ruckman has changed from lumbering tall who had to get first hand on the ball at a ball up or throw in and didn't have to be able to kick, to now being a contributor around the ground. I have faith the Pikey will develop into a handy player for the Swans I hope Roosy gives him the chances that Tadhg & LRT etc got. Hopefully R&Wers who go to the Canberra reserves matches can keep us filled in.

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                    • australian_made
                      Bandwagon Driver
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 235

                      #11
                      I saw Mike at Manuka in round 1 and have much the same opinion as goswannie (big, powerful, likes the handball, cant read the play yet). One thing that hasnt been mentioned yet is his aggression! He is a big unit (200cm, 104kg) and when he is bumping the opposition player next to him they sure do know about it As a work in progress i think he has a lot of potential.

                      On a personal note i also had a chance to speak with him up at Club Swans one night. He is a really nice bloke and sounded pretty easy going. He did mention that he is still getting used to the drop punt (hence why he is more comfortable handballing to another player i guess) but he feels like he is picking it up pretty quickly for an outsider and that Jolly is a great teacher.

                      One of the most important things i gleaned from our conversation was that he loves living in Sydney and perhaps more importantly his girlfriend LOVES Sydney too and is really looking forward to seeing everything this country has to offer.

                      I really do hope that everything works out for him here and to reiterate goswannies comments, RWOers please dont get the knives out until 2011 if at all ok?
                      If the siren sounds in Tasmania, and the umpires don't hear it, does it make a sound?

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                      • ShockOfHair
                        One Man Out
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 3668

                        #12
                        Originally posted by goswannies

                        Pikey also seemed to bump players rather than laying a tackle. I imagine that if his big frame tackled, the opposition would stay tackled.
                        I would've thought tackling is the one thing he'd have confidence in!

                        Looking at his progress to date and the confidence the coaches are putting in him, it seems a cert that Pyke will play quite a bit of AFL this year.

                        The coach says he's got "very strong claims" to play round one.

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                        And Teddy's impressed.
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                        • JF_Bay22_SCG
                          expat Sydneysider
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 3978

                          #13
                          Originally posted by australian_made

                          One of the most important things i gleaned from our conversation was that he loves living in Sydney and perhaps more importantly his girlfriend LOVES Sydney too and is really looking forward to seeing everything this country has to offer.

                          I really do hope that everything works out for him here
                          You wonder if things don't work out for him whether the Waratahs or Brumbies will come knocking on his front door for a chat. Or at worst a Sydney club rugger team.

                          Still here's hoping things work out for him. As he is quintessential of what makes the Swans special. Because every player & supporter has a story as to how & why they became associated with this rather idiosyncratic & unique sporting club.

                          If he IS a success, watch for Maple Leaf flags being flown at the SCG.

                          JF
                          "Never ever ever state that Sydney is gone.They are like cockroaches in the aftermath of a nuclear war"
                          (Forum poster 'Change', Big Footy 04Apr09)

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                          • Haz
                            Member since '05
                            • May 2008
                            • 59

                            #14
                            AND they're red and white too!
                            WE NEED CHEESE!!!

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                            • Plugger46
                              Senior Player
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 3674

                              #15
                              I reckon he's a chance because he's an athlete - not an awkward big bloke.

                              I really hope he doesn't play round one though.
                              Bloods

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