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  • GoRhino
    Pushing for Selection
    • Aug 2008
    • 68

    Blame senior players for inconsistency: Roos

    Blame senior players for inconsistency: Roos

    Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos says senior players must shoulder the blame for the side's inconsistency
  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9718

    #2
    It can't be the coaching, no sir!
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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    • dimelb
      pr. dim-melb; m not f
      • Jun 2003
      • 6889

      #3
      Originally posted by stellation
      It can't be the coaching, no sir!
      Well, he actually says that's part of it:
      "They need to take responsibility as well, the younger fellas. That?s a coaching thing that we?ve got to get across to them, that there?s some non-negotiables,? he said.
      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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      • Nico
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 11337

        #4
        In retrospect and talking to a few people since Saturday the consensus is our game plan doesn't work in the wet when it rains most of the game and is slippery. We persisted in going short and hand passing when a big kick deep into the forward line would probably been a better plan. The more you handle the ball on a wet day the more the margin for error.

        Sure Brisbane got 2 and 3 players back but that was because they could see were were not pushing players forward. Easy pickings when we rushed a kick in or had no other option but to boot it long under pressure. Maybe that is an area that Stellation is talking about.

        He is right on one thing. There were a number of senior players who were right out of it.

        Still can't get over McVeigh on Johnstone and being dragged to their goals. One positive player out of the picture, QED.
        http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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        • JF_Bay22_SCG
          expat Sydneysider
          • Jan 2003
          • 3978

          #5
          Originally posted by Nico
          In retrospect and talking to a few people since Saturday the consensus is our game plan doesn't work in the wet when it rains most of the game and is slippery. We persisted in going short and hand passing when a big kick deep into the forward line would probably been a better plan. The more you handle the ball on a wet day the more the margin for error.

          Sure Brisbane got 2 and 3 players back but that was because they could see were were not pushing players forward. Easy pickings when we rushed a kick in or had no other option but to boot it long under pressure. Maybe that is an area that Stellation is talking about.

          He is right on one thing. There were a number of senior players who were right out of it.

          Still can't get over McVeigh on Johnstone and being dragged to their goals. One positive player out of the picture, QED.
          I'm sorry, but I don't like Kirk as a tagger either. We need him diving under the packs showing his teammates what putting your body on the line is about.

          JF
          "Never ever ever state that Sydney is gone.They are like cockroaches in the aftermath of a nuclear war"
          (Forum poster 'Change', Big Footy 04Apr09)

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          • liz
            Veteran
            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 16760

            #6
            Originally posted by JF_Bay22_SCG
            I'm sorry, but I don't like Kirk as a tagger either. We need him diving under the packs showing his teammates what putting your body on the line is about.

            JF
            Kirk is always going to be playing tight on someone, but I do agree that he seems to have been far more focussed on the defensive side of his game thus far this season than the attacking side. It may be that Mitchell and Black are the two players in the comp he most sets himself to negate - they are almost the perfect opponents for him because they accumulate at will and can be very damaging when on song. Hopefully we'll start to see more manic attack on the ball from him in the upcoming weeks.

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            • Mr Magoo
              Senior Player
              • May 2008
              • 1255

              #7
              McVeigh wasnt getting any possessions so they had him tagging someone who was in Johnstone. Shouldnt have went to the goal square with him though. Thats just bad midfield coaching.

              As for Kirk, he wasnt tagging in round one and looked terrible so maybe they thought it better to get him back to basics in a tagging role.

              Generally midfield were terrible and gameplan was not adjusted to the wet conditions.

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              • royboy42
                Senior Player
                • Apr 2006
                • 2077

                #8
                Crouch was doing a pretty good job on Johnstone before he got the hammy..it was cos of the necessary restructure that McVeigh got the job.

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                • reigning premier
                  Suspended by the MRP
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 4335

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nico
                  In retrospect and talking to a few people since Saturday the consensus is our game plan doesn't work in the wet when it rains most of the game and is slippery. We persisted in going short and hand passing when a big kick deep into the forward line would probably been a better plan. The more you handle the ball on a wet day the more the margin for error.

                  Sure Brisbane got 2 and 3 players back but that was because they could see were were not pushing players forward. Easy pickings when we rushed a kick in or had no other option but to boot it long under pressure. Maybe that is an area that Stellation is talking about.

                  He is right on one thing. There were a number of senior players who were right out of it.

                  Still can't get over McVeigh on Johnstone and being dragged to their goals. One positive player out of the picture, QED.
                  Concur on the wet thing... As soon as it stopped raining, we started getting on top.

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                  • ernie koala
                    Senior Player
                    • May 2007
                    • 3251

                    #10
                    Originally posted by GoRhino

                    Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos says senior players must shoulder the blame for the side's inconsistency
                    He also attributes the inconsistency to "the influx of young players" Yeah right, Meridith. Roos just can't help himself, he has this deluded notion that the Swans play more kids than other teams. The reality is we play less than nearly all teams. The only teams I can think of that play less kids are Geelong (for obvious reasons) and St Kilda.
                    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                    • desredandwhite
                      Click!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2498

                      #11
                      How on earth did they get that headline?

                      While Roos attributed his team?s inconsistency to an influx of younger players in the side, he said the club?s leaders needed to bear the brunt of any criticism.
                      That doesn't translate to "Blame senior players for inconsistency".

                      The younger kids will be a bit inconsistent in their performances. Okay, nothing really wrong with that statement.

                      The senior players must cop the criticism for the overall performance. Okay, that seems fine to me too. The leaders need to be accountable for the result - 5-6 kids might be a bit up and down but it's up to the likes of Kirk and Goodes and Hall to step up, give a bit of guidance to the kids and lead by example.

                      I think some people here are reading a bit more from that article than there is. Roosy's statement is, as always, completely factual while giving nothing away.

                      177th Senior AFL Match - Round 4, 2009 - Sydney vs Carlton, SCG. This is obviously out of date. I suppose I'll update it once I could be bothered sitting down with the fixture and working it out....
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                      • Old Royboy
                        Support Staff
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 879

                        #12
                        Young players can be inconsistant because they are physically and mentally immature. Old players can be inconsistant because they are physically and mentally worn out. Any other player can be inconsistant if he is mentally frail, unhappy, poorly motivated or playing with injury.

                        These factors apply to every team in the comp, though those teams with the highest number in the "prime" 23-29" age bracket are likely to suffer the least.

                        What I have seen from the Swans is that the degree of inconsistancy has increased as the percentage of players in the senior citizen and <50 games categories has increased.

                        Only the very best coaches can keep their players motivated and at their mental best year after year. For most there is eventually a "use by" date where the best solution is to recruit a new coach. Roos is well aware of this - and has stated as much many times in the past.
                        Pay peanuts get monkeys

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                        • AnnieH
                          RWOs Black Sheep
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 11332

                          #13
                          I think it's just Roosey's way of saying they sucked ... all of them.
                          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                          • Mr Magoo
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2008
                            • 1255

                            #14
                            At the moment the biggest concern is not the young kids and its not the aging stars , its the group in the middle.

                            None of them seem to step up if the older brigade fail to lead the way . By that I mean , when the going gets tough if kirk, hall , bolton , goodes, okeefe start to look out of sorts, I am yet this year to see the likes of Bevan, Ablett, Malceski, Moore, Richards etc grab the game by the scruff of the neck or [provide any sort of spark. It almost seems like they go "oh well" kirky, goodes and hall arent firing so we're no chance. Its about the guys from this "middle" group promoted to the leadership group started to show the leadership qualities they seem to think they have.

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                            • goswannie14
                              Leadership Group
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 11166

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mr Magoo
                              At the moment the biggest concern is not the young kids and its not the aging stars , its the group in the middle.

                              None of them seem to step up if the older brigade fail to lead the way . By that I mean , when the going gets tough if kirk, hall , bolton , goodes, okeefe start to look out of sorts, I am yet this year to see the likes of Bevan, Ablett, Malceski, Moore, Richards etc grab the game by the scruff of the neck or [provide any sort of spark. It almost seems like they go "oh well" kirky, goodes and hall arent firing so we're no chance. Its about the guys from this "middle" group promoted to the leadership group started to show the leadership qualities they seem to think they have.
                              How closely do you watch the games? Richards was trying to do that in the first round, and Ablett has only played one game....against Hawthorn!
                              Does God believe in Atheists?

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