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  • ROK Lobster
    RWO Life Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 8658

    RWO widely held beliefs

    Opinions can draw hysteriacal reactions on this site -

    Some examples

    Roos isn't a great coach
    Barlow hasn't knocked himself out therefore is not a true blood
    Ditto Malceski
    Play the youngsters as yesterday's chanpuions wont win us another flag
    Ablett's pass to Cousins in the 05 GF could have been fatal
    Barry Hall has not played consistently good footy since his poor 06 GF
    Players run the club
    Nick Davis was not managed well by the club
    Nick Davis was a game winner and we sadly lack game winners
    LRT is not a very good player
    B1, though courageous, is poorly skilled and plays some stinkers
    McViegh took longer than expected to mature as a footballer
    Sydney has not drafted as well as some other clubs

    And the list goes on and on and ...
  • SimonH
    Salt future's rising
    • Aug 2004
    • 1647

    #2
    Originally posted by ROK Lobster
    Opinions can draw hysteriacal reactions on this site -

    Some examples

    ...
    Play the youngsters as yesterday's chanpuions wont win us another flag
    Ablett's pass to Cousins in the 05 GF could have been fatal
    ...
    And the list goes on and on and ...
    However, yesterday's chanpuions are excellent lightly battered in a red wine sauce.

    PS Show me where anyone, ever, including Luke Ablett, has denied that his across-goal pass that led to a mark and goal to Ben Cousins could have cost us the 2005 flag. (In exactly the same way that any passage of play that led to an opposition goal, or a chance at a Swans goal squandered, could have cost the flag in a game decided by less than a kick.) If that topic gets raised one more time to spuriously support any argument, I'll start calling any across-goals kick in defence in a final, the Straw Man Pass.

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    • The Big Cat
      On the veteran's list
      • Apr 2006
      • 2347

      #3
      Originally posted by ROK Lobster
      Opinions can draw hysteriacal reactions on this site -

      Some examples

      Roos isn't a great coach
      Barlow hasn't knocked himself out therefore is not a true blood
      Ditto Malceski
      Play the youngsters as yesterday's chanpuions wont win us another flag
      Ablett's pass to Cousins in the 05 GF could have been fatal
      Barry Hall has not played consistently good footy since his poor 06 GF
      Players run the club
      Nick Davis was not managed well by the club
      Nick Davis was a game winner and we sadly lack game winners
      LRT is not a very good player
      B1, though courageous, is poorly skilled and plays some stinkers
      McViegh took longer than expected to mature as a footballer
      Sydney has not drafted as well as some other clubs

      And the list goes on and on and ...
      This post has a very mischievous similarity (although somewhat a corollary) to one I posted a few day's ago. I guess one man's myth is another man's reality.
      Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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      • connolly
        Registered User
        • Aug 2005
        • 2461

        #4
        Originally posted by SimonH
        However, yesterday's chanpuions are excellent lightly battered in a red wine sauce.

        PS Show me where anyone, ever, including Luke Ablett, has denied that his across-goal pass that led to a mark and goal to Ben Cousins could have cost us the 2005 flag. (In exactly the same way that any passage of play that led to an opposition goal, or a chance at a Swans goal squandered, could have cost the flag in a game decided by less than a kick.).
        Thats a bit cruel. You are referring here to the failure of Davo to even bend down and pick up the beautiful palm down that the future club President gave him in the last quarter of that game. He simply ran past the ball and made a buttered fingered air grab. Could have cost us the game. He gets an armchair ride from a dominant ruckman and fails to pick up. Fortunately for us Buchanon did get his head over the ball, picked it up in one grab and goaled. That passge of play put us in front and we were never headed. Thank christ for Ball and Buchanon. Able to deliver when the pressure was really on. The point is that one mistake isolated can give a distorted significance in the context of the whole game. We tend to remember the mistakes at the end of games. Or in the case of the Davo faithful, conveniently forget them.
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        • stellation
          scott names the planets
          • Sep 2003
          • 9718

          #5
          Originally posted by connolly
          Thats a bit cruel. You are referring here to the failure of Davo to even bend down and pick up the beautiful palm down that the future club President gave him in the last quarter of that game. He simply ran past the ball and made a buttered fingered air grab. Could have cost us the game. He gets an armchair ride from a dominant ruckman and fails to pick up. Fortunately for us Buchanon did get his head over the ball, picked it up in one grab and goaled. That passge of play put us in front and we were never headed. Thank christ for Ball and Buchanon. Able to deliver when the pressure was really on. The point is that one mistake isolated can give a distorted significance in the context of the whole game. We tend to remember the mistakes at the end of games. Or in the case of the Davo faithful, conveniently forget them.
          Not to be too harsh on you connolly, I appreciate you are clearly a senile old man who thinks he's found something delightful to harp on, but is this perhaps a case of you rewriting history regarding Davo yet again? I direct you to 2:06 of the clip below; I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain that Davo never has an opportunity to fail to bend his back and pick up the ball as it never got past Buchanan and Davo was one man on from him.
          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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          • Primmy
            Proud Tragic Swan
            • Apr 2008
            • 5970

            #6
            Originally posted by stellation
            Not to be too harsh on you connolly, I appreciate you are clearly a senile old man who thinks he's found something delightful to harp on, but is this perhaps a case of you rewriting history regarding Davo yet again? I direct you to 2:06 of the clip below; I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain that Davo never has an opportunity to fail to bend his back and pick up the ball as it never got past Buchanan and Davo was one man on from him.
            And I thought I was tragic. I am a minnow amongst whales.
            If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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            • 31 hard at it
              Regular in the Side
              • Mar 2008
              • 550

              #7
              I was sitting directly in front of that masive play in the GF.
              If was a carbon copy of the Ball to Davo tap in the Semi (and again Jolly to McVeigh 2 weeks ago).
              The players set up and Davo ran wide (I think as a decoy because all West Coast players had watched that Semi and were watching him).
              Bucky ran through the lne and bent it around.

              The play was clearly a well practiced one and it is amazing that West Coast did not cover it after the Semi Final play was so well publicised.

              Both Davo and Bucky did exactly what they trained for in that play and for that they get my eternal thanks and congratulations.

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                #8
                Davo played his role. He was the distractor and took Wirrpanda out of the play.
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • giant
                  Veterans List
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 4731

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SimonH
                  PS Show me where anyone, ever, including Luke Ablett, has denied that his across-goal pass that led to a mark and goal to Ben Cousins could have cost us the 2005 flag. (In exactly the same way that any passage of play that led to an opposition goal, or a chance at a Swans goal squandered, could have cost the flag in a game decided by less than a kick.) If that topic gets raised one more time to spuriously support any argument, I'll start calling any across-goals kick in defence in a final, the Straw Man Pass.
                  Nice work...

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                  • Margie
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 800

                    #10
                    Originally posted by stellation
                    Not to be too harsh on you connolly, I appreciate you are clearly a senile old man who thinks he's found something delightful to harp on, but is this perhaps a case of you rewriting history regarding Davo yet again? I direct you to 2:06 of the clip below; I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain that Davo never has an opportunity to fail to bend his back and pick up the ball as it never got past Buchanan and Davo was one man on from him.
                    I loved watching that clip. It almost reignited some of my lost passion for the game.

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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9718

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dimelb
                      Davo played his role. He was the distractor and took Wirrpanda out of the play.
                      I stopped short of pointing that out, I didn't want to seem like a mindless Davo fan or anything

                      But since you mention it, Wirrpanda had the goal mouth covered and came forward at the stoppage- good defensive work. If Davo hadn't been there he would have been able to go straight to Buchy, and I dare say we may not have got that wonderful goal.
                      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                      • Lucky Knickers
                        Fandom of Fabulousness
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 4220

                        #12
                        The ROW Myth thread is the BEST THREAD EVA

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                        • connolly
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 2461

                          #13
                          Originally posted by stellation
                          Not to be too harsh on you connolly, I appreciate you are clearly a senile old man who thinks he's found something delightful to harp on, but is this perhaps a case of you rewriting history regarding Davo yet again? I direct you to 2:06 of the clip below; I could be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain that Davo never has an opportunity to fail to bend his back and pick up the ball as it never got past Buchanan and Davo was one man on from him.
                          Footy is about opinions. I have had a look at the clip and its worse than my hazy memory here at the nursing home. Davo actually ran away from the ball and the goals. Now he had two options (your suggestion that he ran a decoy is inventive). One was to shepherd which he didn't do and the other was to move into the pack. He did neither and as I said thank christ for Buchanon. The point i am making is that our recollections are coloured by bias and when things occur in the game. Three other points - the tape shows just how much we owed Ball for the premiership. His ruck work in the finals series particularly on the forward was a big factor in the win against Geelong and in the GF. And how much we owe Buchanon for the GF win. Not only did he in the clip attack the ball under enormous pressure in a grand final and kick the winning goal but he played a blinder. I can forgive him a lot in his recent drop off in form and it would be decent if people tempered the calls for his dumping with at least an acknowledgement of what he did on that day. And finally the Bevanator (another unsung hero of the 05 finals campaign) lays a ferocious tackle on the recovering victim with medicinal problems at 13 seconds if i'm not mistaken. A little high but he nailed him. Worth a look just for that. Thanks.
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                          • connolly
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 2461

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 31 hard at it
                            I was sitting directly in front of that masive play in the GF.
                            If was a carbon copy of the Ball to Davo tap in the Semi (and again Jolly to McVeigh 2 weeks ago).
                            The players set up and Davo ran wide (I think as a decoy because all West Coast players had watched that Semi and were watching him).
                            Bucky ran through the lne and bent it around.

                            The play was clearly a well practiced one and it is amazing that West Coast did not cover it after the Semi Final play was so well publicised.

                            Both Davo and Bucky did exactly what they trained for in that play and for that they get my eternal thanks and congratulations.
                            Decoy. You don't run decoys in Grand Finals in front of goal. You go in and get it or help your team mate. Davo ran wide alright when we needed players to run straight at the ball. As i said thank goodness Buchanon was there and ran at the ball. We now officially have another Davo myth. He ran a decoy in the last quarter of the Grand Final! The truth is he went mything in action.
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                            • ShockOfHair
                              One Man Out
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 3668

                              #15
                              Excellent stuff. The Zapruda tape didn't get this much scrutiny.

                              Did Davo act alone? Was there a magic football? Is it a coincidence that Playfair lost the tap and ended up at the Swans?
                              The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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