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  • ugg
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    • Jan 2003
    • 15970

    #61
    Opposition sides recognise that Bevan isn't the best one-on-one defender and will isolate him and his opponent just like Williams did in that contest.
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    • stellation
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      • Sep 2003
      • 9721

      #62
      Originally posted by ugg
      Opposition sides recognise that Bevan isn't the best one-on-one defender
      Only because technically it's correct.
      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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      • Triple B
        Formerly 'BBB'
        • Feb 2003
        • 6999

        #63
        Another point often lost, although I think Stella or Satch mentioned it earlier, is that Williams is a gun forward. It's not as if Bevan was beaten by a hack in that contest.

        Pre the Buddy and Roughie show, Williams carried that forward line with the shotgun slung over the shoulder.
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        • connolly
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          • Aug 2005
          • 2461

          #64
          Originally posted by ugg
          Opposition sides recognise that Bevan isn't the best one-on-one defender and will isolate him and his opponent just like Williams did in that contest.
          Evidence? Most teams try to isolate their gun forwards with a defender. As we do with Magic. i don't know of any team that wouldn't try and isolate any defender with a one on one. The only defender i can think of that you wouldn't want to isolate in a contest is Scarlett. Do you reckon Clarkson didn't try and isolate Bolton, an All Australian against Franklin? Franklin beat him six times in contested marks. Also i don't think it has been established that Bevo was his opponent. Mattner had him for a while, as did Richards. If you reckon that Franklin was trying to hit Williams with that bomb his kicking which was atrocious must have suddenly improved. Franklin was aiming for the goals or the goal square. Williams didn't lead, he was sitting under a bomb
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          • Bear
            Best and Fairest
            • Feb 2003
            • 1022

            #65
            Originally posted by Triple B
            Another point often lost, although I think Stella or Satch mentioned it earlier, is that Williams is a gun forward. It's not as if Bevan was beaten by a hack in that contest.
            All players get beaten and that has absolutely nothing to do with the point here.

            It is about the strategy you employ in the contest, that will both dictate how often you get beaten and how you will be judged.

            When a ball is kickd high and to NO particular advantage of the forward, he should have to earn the mark, not be gifted a freeby.
            "As a player he simply should not have been able to do the things he did. Leo was a 185cm, 88kg full-back and played on some of the biggest, fastest and best full-forwards of all time, and constantly beat them." Roos.
            Leo Barry? you star! We'll miss ya, ''Leapin''.

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            • connolly
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              • Aug 2005
              • 2461

              #66
              Originally posted by ugg
              Opposition sides recognise that Bevan isn't the best one-on-one defender and will isolate him and his opponent just like Williams did in that contest.
              Williams wasnt Bevo's opponent. Mattner played on Williams. The Franklin bomb came from a turnover in midfield, Franklin was bombing for goal and the player caught in no mans land was Teddy Richards. When Bevo saw that Richards wasn't going to make it to contest Williams he stepped up and was held out of the contest by one of the strongest marking small forwards in the business. Mattner was up the ground on the attack when the ball was turned over, Williams who hadn't chased was loitering in the forward pocket and got lucky. Franklin saw that Richards had come up the field and tried to bomb a goal over his head. Bevo's opponent was Osborne. Clarkson must be the most brilliant coach in the history of football who uses mental telepathy. In a split second he had instructed Buddy to kick it to Williams who by design had isolated Bevo. Pure genius.
              Last edited by connolly; 10 June 2009, 02:13 PM.
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              • Lohengrin
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                • Jul 2008
                • 641

                #67
                Bevan was on Williams at that stage and was for some time in the second half.

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                • ugg
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by connolly
                  Williams wasnt Bevo's opponent. Mattner played on Williams. The Franklin bomb came from a turnover in midfield, Franklin was bombing for goal and the player caught in no mans land was Teddy Richards. When Bevo saw that Richards wasn't going to make it to contest Williams he stepped up and was held out of the contest by one of the strongest marking small forwards in the business. Mattner was up the ground on the attack when the ball was turned over, Williams who hadn't chased was loitering in the forward pocket and got lucky. Franklin saw that Richards had come up the field and tried to bomb a goal over his head. Bevo's opponent was Osborne. Clarkson must be the most brilliant coach in the history of football who uses mental telepathy. In a split second he had instructed Buddy to kick it to Williams who by design had isolated Bevo. Pure genius.
                  Richards started on Williams, then Bevan was moved onto him later on when Teddy moved forward. At no stage did I see Mattner on Williams. Occam's Razor.
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                  • connolly
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                    • Aug 2005
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by ugg
                    Richards started on Williams, then Bevan was moved onto him later on when Teddy moved forward. At no stage did I see Mattner on Williams. Occam's Razor.
                    Watched the replay in the TAB this arvo. Mattner was on Williams. Richards was the player out of position when Franklin kicked the bomb in. He was on the backline then so was he playing on Williams at that stage? Fifteen metres from the defensive square and struggling to get back is a long way from the forward line champ!!!
                    Last edited by connolly; 10 June 2009, 04:37 PM.
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                    • connolly
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                      • Aug 2005
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Lohengrin
                      Bevan was on Williams at that stage and was for some time in the second half.
                      Richards was the tall marking defender who should have contested the bomb. Bevo's opponent was Osborne in the third quarter and the last. He was number 7. It was Richards who was out of position and Bevo was playing sweeper/quarterback. Which he does very well by the way. Franklin saw that Richards was in no mans land and tried to bomb over him.
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                      • ugg
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                        • Jan 2003
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                        #71
                        Were you watching the game or the GGs?

                        I'm adamant that Bevan was Williams's opponent, and Lohengrin seems to be backing me up too. And there's no way Buddy was 'bombing for goal'. He was too far out and it was definitely a pass aimed for Shotgun.
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                        • stellation
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                          • Sep 2003
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                          #72
                          Originally posted by connolly
                          Richards was the tall marking defender who should have contested the bomb. Bevo's opponent was Osborne in the third quarter and the last. He was number 7. It was Richards who was out of position and Bevo was playing sweeper/quarterback. Which he does very well by the way. Franklin saw that Richards was in no mans land and tried to bomb over him.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • giant
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                            • Mar 2005
                            • 4731

                            #73



                            I watched a replay this afternoon too (up to half time). Richards clearly starts on Williams and is towelled up on several occasions.

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                            • Melbournehammer
                              Senior Player
                              • May 2007
                              • 1815

                              #74
                              ahhh. I did wonder about it - my memories of the game were that richards was on williams for most of the first half. I am pretty sure that bevan was on williams at the time, even if it was a created mismatch.

                              No matter. Bevan got outpointed in that contest. It happens.

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                              • Lohengrin
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                                • Jul 2008
                                • 641

                                #75
                                Originally posted by giant



                                I watched a replay this afternoon too (up to half time). Richards clearly starts on Williams and is towelled up on several occasions.
                                Yes, which is why he was moved off him. Bevan was put on him later.

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