In defense of Hall

[Robbo]

"Protesting" runs the risk of giving away 50. So when a vital game is in the balance in the last quarter, smart players don't protest......because it achieves SFA.

[BeeEmmAre]

He should of just STOOD THE MARK AND DONE NOTHING. This makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the umpires to ping you for more infringements. If he had of stood still and said nothing then the umpires CAN'T do anything. That's the bottom line.

We're talking about Barry Hall here. They'd probably ping him for thinking about back chatting.

[Melbournehammer]

there is simply no doubt if the situation is only slightly a free against hall it will be paid, and if it is slightly for hall it will not be paid.

he is crucified by umpires and is treated differently to most other players.

in my view from my vantage point (which was about 40 metres from the first incidents and about the same from the third). Only the third was truly deserved (he really did try to elbow mitchell in the neck.

The umpires had by this stage already shown their unwillingness to be anything other than hawthorn supporters - and one of them was too gutless to award a holding the ball decision in the goalsquare against hawthorn (fortunately we goaled shortly afterwards)

[Melbournehammer]

"Protesting" runs the risk of giving away 50. So when a vital game is in the balance in the last quarter, smart players don't protest......because it achieves SFA.

not true. i reckon there were a couple of occasions where hawthorn players protested vehemently against non decisions in the final quarter and were rewarded with decisions shortly afterwards. Its just that hall will get done in circumstances where jordan lewis wont

[Robbo]

Well it was still wrong of him to protest, he shouldn't of done it.

[SwansFan1972]

our forwards all get treated differently to other teams. Demetriou's bias from 2005 (exacerbated by the humiliation of him by winning the flag) permeates the entire AFL administration. Every rule change since 2005 has been crafted with the aim of combating the Swans style of play.

The umpires know very well what is expected of them when umpiring swans games and they do as they are told week after week. Umpire 24 today was an absolute joke - he did all bar kick four goals for the hawks today.

Hally has always had a short fuse and with the rubbish he cops each week from defenders without any support from the maggots, it is not surprising eventually he will lose it. Unfortunate, but until we get robots playing the game (which the AFL is assiduously trying to achieve), we need to take the good with the bad, and Hally is still in credit (but perhaps not as far in the black as he once was!)

As painful as it is to admit, this year it all won't matter very much anyway. All the teams bar the top three are just making up the numbers, so whether we finish 4th or 16th, for the first time in years it doesn't matter a jot. (This is really crappy to have to admit, but reality hurts sometimes).

[Robbo]

SYDNEY Swans coach Paul Roos said Barry Hall's final-term brain fade ultimately cost his side the game against Hawthorn on Sunday.

Roos said Hall's triple 50m penalty that handed the Hawks a certain goal and moved them 10 points clear 12 minutes into the final stanza swung the momentum and handed the home side the four points.

"I think clearly that was the turning point in the game," a visibly disappointed Roos said after the game.

"You can sit here and we can dream up fictional reasons or we can get to the source of the problem, and that was clearly a massive turning point in the game."

The incident began when Hall handed Jarryd Roughead a 50m penalty for arguing with the umpire in the Swans' goal-square.

He then grabbed Roughead by the neck and slung him to the ground as the ball was moved 50m up the ground, which resulted in a second penalty.

Then, as play was shifted 100m forward, he jostled with Hawthorn players and was penalised a third time for contact against Sam Mitchell, which put Roughead in position to goal.

Roos dragged Hall for the incident and refrained from addressing him straight away, but said his teammates remonstrated with him after the final siren.

Read the rest here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsartic...2/default.aspx

[Pace To Burn]

But the point is, once an umpire has made a decision, no amount of crying or tantrum throwing is going to change his mind.....therefore you don't, I repeat....DON'T throw tantrums. That is the bottom line.

Playing football with emotion can be great, but clearly he can't keep his emotions in check, therefore it's a problem for him.

And yes I have played football, I still play football. When an umpire makes a decision, it means he has made a decision. As a player all you can do is get on with playing the game.

So you've never had something to say? Its human nature, all he said was"hes ###### holding" he didn't call the umpire a ####### or anything else. Then put his arms out and roughead ran into him, at the end of the day it didnt cost the game anymore than the easy goals missed in the last 10 mins

[hammo]

Every player in the AFL has a whinge to the umpires, including Chris Judd, so Hall is no Robinson Crusoe there. There was nothing wrong with complaining about his arm being held, but I assume he threw in an expletive at the end which is what the 50 was for. Stupid of Hall to do it but a gross over-reaction by the umpire considering the context of the game.

[Nolie]

Some great posts here. I agree that Hall gets terribly lop-sided treatment from the umps because he is 'Big, Bad, Bustling". Would Daniel Bradshaw, Matt Lloyd or one of those "nice" forwards get the same ill-treatment? Having said that I am not a Hall fan - he has been around long enough and is supposedly a professional and would know that nothing is to be gained by carrying on like a pork chop. Indeed he should in fact be factoring in the umpires' bias towards him and adapting his game accordingly. I think he has been a liability for several years now. The Swans should be giving a young bloke an opportunity.
I am with Robbo - some great comments.

[goswannie14]

SYDNEY Swans coach Paul Roos said Barry Hall's final-term brain fade ultimately cost his side the game against Hawthorn on Sunday.

Roos said Hall's triple 50m penalty that handed the Hawks a certain goal and moved them 10 points clear 12 minutes into the final stanza swung the momentum and handed the home side the four points.

"I think clearly that was the turning point in the game," a visibly disappointed Roos said after the game.

"You can sit here and we can dream up fictional reasons or we can get to the source of the problem, and that was clearly a massive turning point in the game."

The incident began when Hall handed Jarryd Roughead a 50m penalty for arguing with the umpire in the Swans' goal-square.

He then grabbed Roughead by the neck and slung him to the ground as the ball was moved 50m up the ground, which resulted in a second penalty.

Then, as play was shifted 100m forward, he jostled with Hawthorn players and was penalised a third time for contact against Sam Mitchell, which put Roughead in position to goal.

Roos dragged Hall for the incident and refrained from addressing him straight away, but said his teammates remonstrated with him after the final siren.

Read the rest here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsartic...2/default.aspx

Interesting to note the AFL website has changed the facts to make Hall look guilty. Everyone, except the umpires saw Roughead try to run through Hall and fall to the ground. Utter BS.

[Nico]

This issue has been given a really good run tonight by Mark Fyne on SEN. he was at the game and said Barry Hall was harshly done by. Every caller, Swans and Hawks and an impartial Collingwood supporter to a person said he was hard done by. The Collingwood supporter said he got a raw deal all game.
One caller said Vosso wasn't even watching the second infringement, had his back to it, as he was pacing out his 50 metres.

Fyne went as far as to say that Vosso should be looked at by the umpires panel because it was clearly an anti Barry Hall decision.

Fyne and all callers said it was clear Hall had his arm held in the contest while Roughhead came across to mark.

My take is that all day he was crucified in contests and so called 50/50 decisions went against him. It is quite extraordinary that others forwards such as Kosi and Riewolt get these arm holding frees almost every time, yet Hall gets nothing. I have no problem with frees that are there but there is no consistency and clearly he is discriminated against. Fyne as good as said this.

[Nico]

Interesting to note the AFL website has changed the facts to make Hall look guilty. Everyone, except the umpires saw Roughead try to run through Hall and fall to the ground. Utter BS.

Factually incorrect on 2 fronts.

Roughhead marked 30 metres out from our goal. If it was in the goalsquare the kick for goal would have been about 30 metres out.

Secondly Roughhead canoned into Hall then Hall instinctively put his arm out, touched R/head on the shoulder and he fell over.

[hammo]

Interesting to note the AFL website has changed the facts to make Hall look guilty. Everyone, except the umpires saw Roughead try to run through Hall and fall to the ground. Utter BS.

The Herald Sun's Jon Ralph has taken the old fashioned stick to his report as well. What game was this guy watching??

Repeating the dose by then attempting to decapitate Jarryd Roughead with a coathanger-style tackle indicates a serious anger management problem.

Barry Hall brain explosion gifts Hawks game | Herald Sun

[thedoc]

Good thread here - too many others keen to give a leading player a whack
imho hally is going well