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  • connolly
    Registered User
    • Aug 2005
    • 2461

    #16
    Originally posted by Matt79
    BEST 5: Goodes, C Bolton, B Kirk, J Bolton, J Mcveigh

    WORST 5 (currently based on form): Buchanan, Grundy, Ablett, Moore, Bevan
    Bevo got 17 possessions against the Hawks and Crouch got 5. Form?? Sorry he matches up against 32 year old midfielders really well. Malceski is such an embarassment but reckon his form is above Bevo and Moore. And this is a period when he has been dropped to the reserves for lack of form! And will be again this week!!!Sigh
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    • snajik
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 1115

      #17
      Originally posted by Matt79
      BEST 5: Goodes, C Bolton, B Kirk, J Bolton, J Mcveigh

      WORST 5 (currently based on form): Buchanan, Grundy, Ablett, Moore, Bevan
      This is pretty much on the mark, thogh I reckon McVeigh has dropped off a bit in recent weeks. I think Bevan comes in for too much stick and often gets handed a pretty tough role. The Esky has the potential to be much better but is really struggling at the moment. Grundy, Moore and Monty play well in bursts but not over the course of a game unfortunately.
      It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
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      • Matt79
        Bring it on!
        • Sep 2004
        • 3143

        #18
        Originally posted by connolly
        Bevo got 17 possessions against the Hawks and Crouch got 5. Form?? Sorry he matches up against 32 year old midfielders really well. Malceski is such an embarassment but reckon his form is above Bevo and Moore. And this is a period when he has been dropped to the reserves for lack of form! And will be again this week!!!Sigh
        Granted Crouch and Malceski on current form would be pretty close to Bevan.
        Swannies for life!

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        • 2005
          : IN THE OUTER :
          • Dec 2007
          • 604

          #19
          Originally posted by Nico
          Our worst 5 who are playing are: Malceski, Buchanan, Moore, Grundy and Crouch/Jack (doesn't do anywhere near enough).
          Your on the money here Nico.

          Especially Moorey for me . He just doesnt do enough and has no endurance at all. He is in real trouble right now and would be dropped if we had backup in the magoos which looks like we dont due to so many injuries.
          Still has time, though gone backwards very quickly.
          Still think he can become a very good footballer if he works harder at his endurance which he has none.

          Malceski is near on finished in my book and its a bloody shame.
          He could of been anything, and Im afraid to say this but he doesnt have much more to give at the highest level.

          Heath Grundy is well ???? Hes just Heath Grundy.
          His mark the other week is him rolled up into one.
          Great mark one minute, one of the best, then kicks it on the full.
          Pretty much what he has given us to date his whole career

          Montys just going around on points, Im sure if they had suitable backup players he wouldnt be there now,but we simply have no body in the 2s to fill his spot.
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          • Captain
            Captain of the Side
            • Feb 2004
            • 3602

            #20
            On the positive side, surprised no one has mentioned ROK. I reckon he will be in our top 5 B&F by years end.

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            • TheHood
              On the Rookie List
              • Jan 2003
              • 1938

              #21
              I love Kirky but his skills and personal speed and just about to expire. He's incredibly important to the team, but as for offensive solo efforts, doesn't rank top 5 any more.

              Best: Goodes, McVeigh, Bolton C, Bolton J, O'Keefe

              Worst: "Bang It On The Boot" Luke Ablett (not just our bottom 5, but the AFL's), Monty, Bevan, Mal and Grundy

              Only Ablett is chronic, I think all of the others have the ability to learn and perform.

              NOG is a hard tough athlete with 0 footy smarts. He makes Troy Cook look like Michael Long.
              The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16761

                #22
                Jolly anyone? I reckon we have a clear top 7 - Goodes, both Boltons, ROK, Kirk, McVeigh and Jolly.

                (Am surprised at some discounting Kirk - defensively he's probably been better this year than for the last couple and while I think he's gone a bit too defensive this year, he's still contributing importantly in the other direction.)

                And I look forward to bumping this thread up in 12 months time to remind some they have written off Malceski prematurely. The number of quality players who genuinely struggle (and are oft written off) for at least 12 months after a knee reco far far far outweighs those, like Bradshaw, who bounce back immediately. I know that we all hoped the "miracle op" would cut this time for Malceski but even if structurally he is completely sound, the psychological factor must still be there, plus he is probably a little way off peak physical fitness still. And remember that he's suffered twice, both times from innocuous incidents.

                I agree that his current form is not good and a team with better depth wouldn't have him in their best 22 at the moment. But I'd be inclined to hold off the eulogies for a while yet.

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                • JF_Bay22_SCG
                  expat Sydneysider
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 3978

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Captain
                  Spot on.

                  Buchanan, Malceski, Moore, Bevan & Ablett would be my worst 5 who regularly manage to get a game.

                  On a positive note, my best 5 would be: Goodes, C Bolton, Mattner, J Bolton & ROK.
                  What about Rhyce Shaw?

                  JF
                  "Never ever ever state that Sydney is gone.They are like cockroaches in the aftermath of a nuclear war"
                  (Forum poster 'Change', Big Footy 04Apr09)

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                  • Captain
                    Captain of the Side
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 3602

                    #24
                    Originally posted by TheHood
                    I love Kirky but his skills and personal speed and just about to expire. He's incredibly important to the team, but as for offensive solo efforts, doesn't rank top 5 any more.

                    Best: Goodes, McVeigh, Bolton C, Bolton J, O'Keefe

                    Worst: "Bang It On The Boot" Luke Ablett (not just our bottom 5, but the AFL's), Monty, Bevan, Mal and Grundy

                    Only Ablett is chronic, I think all of the others have the ability to learn and perform.

                    NOG is a hard tough athlete with 0 footy smarts. He makes Troy Cook look like Michael Long.
                    Spot on and well put re Kirk. Would find it hard to disagree with any of that.

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                    • connolly
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 2461

                      #25
                      Originally posted by TheHood
                      I love Kirky but his skills and personal speed and just about to expire. He's incredibly important to the team, but as for offensive solo efforts, doesn't rank top 5 any more.

                      Best: Goodes, McVeigh, Bolton C, Bolton J, O'Keefe

                      Worst: "Bang It On The Boot" Luke Ablett (not just our bottom 5, but the AFL's), Monty, Bevan, Mal and Grundy

                      Only Ablett is chronic, I think all of the others have the ability to learn and perform.

                      NOG is a hard tough athlete with 0 footy smarts. He makes Troy Cook look like Michael Long.
                      If you took Kirk out of our midfield at the moment we would have a midfield that would be smashed at every stoppage. And McVeigh can't be in the top 5 until he can beat an opponent physically for a hotly contested ball. Kirk and Bolton are playing heroically at the moment by hitting the contests, tying it up and getting it out. McVeigh for all his skill with the ball is very soft. Kirk is definitely top 5, in front of Jude and certainly Mc Veigh. How you can put a defender that was ranked our second best defender last year in the bottom 5is another mystery.
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                      • Plugger46
                        Senior Player
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 3674

                        #26
                        Originally posted by liz
                        And I look forward to bumping this thread up in 12 months time to remind some they have written off Malceski prematurely. The number of quality players who genuinely struggle (and are oft written off) for at least 12 months after a knee reco far far far outweighs those, like Bradshaw, who bounce back immediately. I know that we all hoped the "miracle op" would cut this time for Malceski but even if structurally he is completely sound, the psychological factor must still be there, plus he is probably a little way off peak physical fitness still. And remember that he's suffered twice, both times from innocuous incidents.

                        I agree that his current form is not good and a team with better depth wouldn't have him in their best 22 at the moment. But I'd be inclined to hold off the eulogies for a while yet.
                        I'm not writing him off for the rest of his career but he's simply not contributing at the moment. I agree with you about his knee though.

                        Originally posted by Captain
                        On the positive side, surprised no one has mentioned ROK. I reckon he will be in our top 5 B&F by years end.
                        Great comment Captain. Where are all those people who were saying he isn't committed to the club? Genuine star of the competition and is absolutely burning at the moment.
                        Bloods

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                        • Hartijon
                          On the Rookie List
                          • May 2008
                          • 1536

                          #27
                          Best 5: Goodes,Kirk,O'Keefe,C.Bolton, Jolly(imagine without him!)
                          Worst 5.Ablett, Grundy, Moore,Buchanan,Malceski (the last two this year on form)
                          The rest are mid range with Bevan's mistakes in front of goal seriously moving him down and starting to override his courageous acts.J.Bolton is pushing to the top with improved goal kicking and tough in and under play.Jack could still be anything and MOL is up and down.MacVeigh should be in the 5 but a serious tagger can quieten him right down.

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                          • UglyDuckling
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 452

                            #28
                            Best - Goodes, Jolly, Kirk, B1, B2, O'Keefe, McVeigh

                            I couldnt really make it into best 5, those 7 are clear stand outs in our team.

                            Worst -
                            Luke Ablett - worst player in the team by a long way and probably the worst senior player getting a regular game in the competition.
                            Buchannan - Another experienced player just not doing well enough
                            Grundy - Not very good, but at least has the potential to improve.

                            Thats all i have for worst Moore is out of form but not indicative of how good he is, he's having the second year blues
                            Beavan is a handy back pocket doesnt get alot of it but generally shuts down his opponent quite well
                            Mal we all know how good he can be just needs to regain his confidence and get a bit of fire in the belly. He'll be back

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                            • snajik
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1115

                              #29
                              I've since realised how ambiguous this thread is. Are we looking at performances across the first 11 weeks or current form? If it's the former then I like the look of Liz's list even though there are more than five.

                              I still contend that ROK (who has been sensational in the last month or so) started slowly this season; his return to form coinciding with the return of Micky O. McVeigh and Shaw started extremely well but have dropped off of late and been replaced in the top tier by ROK if we are looking at this from a purely current form perspective. Jolly has played a couple of dud games but in the main has been very strong.

                              I also agree with Connolly's statement re the value of J Bolton and B Kirk. Both have performed in a superhuman capacity to date. To criticise their lack of offensive acumen is unreasonable considering the dearth of assistance they've been receiving in the midfield. Numbers 1 & 2 in the competition for tackles at the moment btw. A pair of real hard nuts that we can't do without.
                              It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
                              The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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                              • 1%ers
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 50

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
                                It still doesn't apply to O'Loughlin.
                                Where do you think the opposition gets its run from?
                                OK I'll tell you, from defence running off old MOL, he can't chase & the other sides have worked this out, set play run off MOL & create the extra man.

                                MOL has been awesome for the Swans & a great clubman, but now its time for Mick to share his knowledge and teach it to the next generation, I hope he gets a development role at the club.

                                Worst
                                Grundy (gets out bodied far to easily)
                                Ablett (needs to get under the packs like 06)
                                Barlow (softer than cuddly)
                                Moore (cant keep up)
                                O'Loughlin (opp runs off him to easy)
                                You know it makes sense. I'm 1%a

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