O'Loughlin 1 Goodes 2

[top40]

Neither of them are New South Welshmen. It would therefore be a disgrace to name a stand after them at the SCG. End of story.

Quote again: "a disgrace"

What an embellishment.

1. Don Bradman has a stand named after him. He actuallly lived in Sydney for only 5 years out of his long life of 92 years. And he spent his last 68 years living in Adelaide.

2. Paul Roos grew up in Melbourne and didn't come to live in Sydney until he was 31. He has a sculpture honouring his SYDNEY Swans achievements.

3. Fred Spofforth, who also has a sculpture honouring his SCG achievements, spent his early childhood in Hokianga, New Zealand.

4. Clive Churchill was hardly a Sydney sider. He was born and grew up in Newcastle, and played some of his Rugby League in Brisbane.

[Big Al]

There is a strong Aboriginal factor here. The name "Brewongle" simply means "meeting place", nothing else. Now name me an Aboriginal cricketer, Rugby player, League player, who has regularly graced the SCG with the distinction of Michael O'Loughlin and Adam Goodes? Mark Ella from Rugby Union would be the only one that comes close.

There could be an endless debate as to who the greatest Sydney Swan has been. Paul Kelly and Tony Lockett would both be very strong contenders. But who's to say that, say, Reg Gasiner or Graeme Langlands weren't greater Rugby League players compared with Clive Churchill. What about great cricketers such as Charlie Maccartney, Alan Davidson or Steve Waugh? Why have they not got a stand named after him when compared with MA Nobel?

For me it is the combination of Goodes and O'Loughlin being in the mix as truely great players, AND being indigenious, that makes them ideal candidates to replace the generic and boring name, the "Brewongle stand". Goodes won two Browlows, a Rising Star, several All Australian selections, and a Premiership medal. Micky O won two All Australian selections, a Premiership medal, and was the first player in the club's 135 year history to play 300 senior games. And for a club to have two Indigenous players at numbers 1 and 2 in terms of the number of games played is simply extraordinary.

I have a problem with anything being awarded on the basis of race. If they are to be given the honour based on their contribution to the Sydney Swans then no problem but their race should not have anything to do with it.

[KirkysSocks]

Quote again: "a disgrace"

What an embellishment.

1. Don Bradman has a stand named after him. He actuallly lived in Sydney for only 5 years out of his long life of 92 years. And he spent his last 68 years living in Adelaide.

2. Paul Roos grew up in Melbourne and didn't come to live in Sydney until he was 31. He has a sculpture honouring his SYDNEY Swans achievements.

3. Fred Spofforth, who also has a sculpture honouring his SCG achievements, spent his early childhood in Hokianga, New Zealand.

4. Clive Churchill was hardly a Sydney sider. He was born and grew up in Newcastle, and played some of his Rugby League in Brisbane.

Don Bradman is a joke of a human being. Selfish self centred individual who didn't allow anyone except himself to earn marketing $$$ but hey he could hit a red ball better than the next man and that makes him a legend.

[laughingnome]

Quote again: "a disgrace"

What an embellishment.

1. Don Bradman has a stand named after him. He actuallly lived in Sydney for only 5 years out of his long life of 92 years. And he spent his last 68 years living in Adelaide.

2. Paul Roos grew up in Melbourne and didn't come to live in Sydney until he was 31. He has a sculpture honouring his SYDNEY Swans achievements.

3. Fred Spofforth, who also has a sculpture honouring his SCG achievements, spent his early childhood in Hokianga, New Zealand.

4. Clive Churchill was hardly a Sydney sider. He was born and grew up in Newcastle, and played some of his Rugby League in Brisbane.

Not to disagree with your sentiment but you're argueing against the claim of New South Welshman. Both Bradman (Bowral) and Churchill (Newcastle) are from this state and represented NSW in their respective sports.

[ROK Lobster]

Not to disagree with your sentiment but you're argueing against the claim of New South Welshman. Both Bradman (Bowral) and Churchill (Newcastle) are from this state and represented NSW in their respective sports.

And the Kiwi and the Victorian (not sure which is worse) don't have stands, only silly statues.

[top40]

And the Kiwi and the Victorian (not sure which is worse) don't have stands, only silly statues.

With that sort of logic:

-MA Noble must have been a greater cricketer than Richie Benaud, Stan McCabe and Fred Spoffoth.
-Nicholas Sherhadie (the current First Gentlemen of NSW) must have been a greater Rugby player than Trevor Allen.

And where does it say that a grandstand, (but not a scupture I add) MUST be named after a person whose origin is the State where the ground is located?

[ROK Lobster]

With that sort of logic:

-MA Noble must have been a greater cricketer than Richie Benaud, Stan McCabe and Fred Spoffoth.
-Nicholas Sherhadie (the current First Gentlemen of NSW) must have been a greater Rugby player than Trevor Allen.

And where does it say that a grandstand, (but not a scupture I add) MUST be named after a person whose origin is the State where the ground is located?

No, with that sort of logic MA Noble should not have a stand named after him if he was Queenslander.

Nowhere does it say that a stand must be named after a person whose origin is in the State/Territory of the ground. None of Manuka Oval's stands are named after Territorirans (don't get me started on that one!). However, it would be a disgrace to name a stand at the SCG after a Victorian and a South Australian. I would tear up my SCG membership and I am certain that many other loyal SCG patrons would do the same.

[satchmopugdog]

You haven't got a scg membership ...get that tongue out of your cheek.

[BSA5]

Arguing that Goodes and O'Loughlin shouldn't have a stand named after them because of the state they were born in is just as irrelevant as arguing they SHOULD because of their race. Honestly, why on earth does it make a difference? It would be honouring them as Swans players, not NSWmen FFS! They have both played their entire careers with the SCG as their home, they have starred in matches at the ground too many times to mention, and they will have played more games for the Swans, and more games at the SCG, than any other player in history.

Ridiculous. As a born-and-bred Sydneysider and NSWman who has in the past parochially bagged anything south of the border (aside, of course, from footy) and holds an SCG membership, I am 100% for the Brewongle stand being renamed the "Goodes-O'Loughlin" stand. A person's state of origin has nothing to do with it. They are Swans players, pure and simple.

The fact that "Brewongle" has indigenous connotations, and could do with having a bit more depth to the meaning, is a nice coincidence and makes it the perfect stand to honour Goodes and O'Loughlin as it would maintain those indigenous connotations, but it's not the reason for honouring the pair in the first place.

An interesting stat for anybody who has the time and means to look it up, but I'd like to know if any two players in any football code have ever played as many games together at the SCG as Goodes and O'Loughlin have.

[top40]

No, with that sort of logic MA Noble should not have a stand named after him if he was Queenslander.

Nowhere does it say that a stand must be named after a person whose origin is in the State/Territory of the ground. None of Manuka Oval's stands are named after Territorirans (don't get me started on that one!). However, it would be a disgrace to name a stand at the SCG after a Victorian and a South Australian. I would tear up my SCG membership and I am certain that many other loyal SCG patrons would do the same.

And back to this thread, the two players who I would like to have a Stand named after them, (Michael O'Loughlin and Adam Goodes, ROK Lobster, I'm not sure if you have heard of them), have happened to have lived virtually their respective entirely adults lives in the city of Sydney. Just because they happened for no choice of their own to have spend their childhoods in different states, doesn't undermine their incredible contributions to the Australian Rules Football in the state of New South Wales, in the city of Sydney, and to the SCG itself.

It is a bit like saying that we shouldn't honour a great Australian simply because he or she happened to have been born and spend their childhood in another country. If you look at the 119 Australia's Treasures (living and deceased), as nominated by the National Trust of Australia, no less than 13 were not born in Australia, and several were not even raised as children in Australia:

- Rev Bill Crewes
-Russell Crowe
-Margaret Fulton
-Jennie George
-Nicole Kidman
--Gai Waterhouse
-Robyn Williams
-Betty Archdale
-Don Dunstan
-Elizabeth Jolly
-John Farmham
-Sir Gustav Nossal
-Dr John Yu

The latter three were also named Australian of the Year.

Do we ignore the people's achievements simply because they happened to have been born or grew up somewhere else?

[Triple B]

When they pulled the Brewongle stand down in 81/82 and built the new one, they obviously had the chance to change the name, but elected not to.

They have since pulled down the Sheridan Stand and built the Churchill, pulled down the Bob Stand and built the Pat Hills and then changed that to the O'Reilly.

Methinks they have some attachment to the name 'Brewongle' and I have this gut feeling that neither Goodes nor O'Loughlin would be even happy about getting THAT particular stand named in their honour at the expense of a traditional indigenous name.

Perhaps when the Noble/Bradman is redeveloped there maybe a chance for a Swans player to be honoured, which would be fitting given the Noble has been the home of many, many Swans members since the move in '82.

[Matty10]

Methinks they have some attachment to the name 'Brewongle' and I have this gut feeling that neither Goodes nor O'Loughlin would be even happy about getting THAT particular stand named in their honour at the expense of a traditional indigenous name.

Brewongle is a great name for a stand if it does mean 'meeting place' as suggested in this thread. The more Indigenous names we keep the better - although I would not have a problem with the Goodes-O'Loughlin Brewongle Stand (especially considering they 'met' quite regularly at the SCG over a large number of years).

[laughingnome]

When they pulled the Brewongle stand down in 81/82 and built the new one, they obviously had the chance to change the name, but elected not to.

They have since pulled down the Sheridan Stand and built the Churchill, pulled down the Bob Stand and built the Pat Hills and then changed that to the O'Reilly.

Don't forget the Doug Walters! He got down-(or up- I guess)graded to a bar

[top40]

When they pulled the Brewongle stand down in 81/82 and built the new one, they obviously had the chance to change the name, but elected not to.

They have since pulled down the Sheridan Stand and built the Churchill, pulled down the Bob Stand and built the Pat Hills and then changed that to the O'Reilly.

Methinks they have some attachment to the name 'Brewongle' and I have this gut feeling that neither Goodes nor O'Loughlin would be even happy about getting THAT particular stand named in their honour at the expense of a traditional indigenous name.

Perhaps when the Noble/Bradman is redeveloped there maybe a chance for a Swans player to be honoured, which would be fitting given the Noble has been the home of many, many Swans members since the move in '82.

I've done a bit of reserch on this topic. Back in the 30's the old Brewongle Stand had no name such. There was however a cafe bar commonly called the "Brewongle bar" By the 1950's the grandstand had gained the title, unofficially, as the "Brewongle Stand". The official name of the "Brewongle Stand" emerged sometime later, probably in the 1960's. When the new modern Grand Stand emerged in the 1980's, (an age where finally the original Australians were being appropriately acknowledged), there was simply no indigenous name (ie is sportsman or politician) that would be relevant to the SCG. So the Brewongle Stand as it was known remained. That said, I am quite sure that there is no cultural attachment to the name by any Aborginal community. (If I am wrong about this, I would really like to know).

My big ticket point here that now we have, not one, but two truely great indigenous sportmen that have emerged since the early 1980's, with very strong connections to the SCG. No other SCG sportpersons, with the exception of Rugby with Mark Ella-(although Raa Raa no longer plays at the Cricket Ground), can boast the SCG achievements of Michael O'Loughlin and Adam Goodes.

It is also time that the SCG Trust recognises nearly three decades of Australian Rules Football at the ground.

What a great opportunity this presents with a recognition of both AFL and two indigenous sportsmen who have shined so many times on the SCG.

[Damien]

It is also time that the SCG Trust recognises nearly three decades of Australian Rules Football at the ground.

What a great opportunity this presents with a recognition of both AFL and two indigenous sportsmen who have shined so many times on the SCG.

Yep, plus it has been 22 years since Rugby League moved away to their purpose built stadium next dooor, AFL is a huge reason why the SCG can even put their hand up for funding of upgrades etc. Without the Swans, they basically have a Test, a few one dayers and a lot of loss making NSW Blues games. Hope GWS know how damn lucky they are to have a ground not run by the Trust!

My preference would be a Paul Kelly stand though, but I wont be holding my breath. (We need to find a billionaire who is willing to fund a roofed stadium in the East or North Shore and piss these jokers off!)

At least our offices are in such a great position next to the main gates, nice little club ad everytime the cricket season rolls around!