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[ROK Lobster]

And back to this thread, the two players who I would like to have a Stand named after them, (Michael O'Loughlin and Adam Goodes, ROK Lobster, I'm not sure if you have heard of them), have happened to have lived virtually their respective entirely adults lives in the city of Sydney. Just because they happened for no choice of their own to have spend their childhoods in different states, doesn't undermine their incredible contributions to the Australian Rules Football in the state of New South Wales, in the city of Sydney, and to the SCG itself.

It is a bit like saying that we shouldn't honour a great Australian simply because he or she happened to have been born and spend their childhood in another country. If you look at the 119 Australia's Treasures (living and deceased), as nominated by the National Trust of Australia, no less than 13 were not born in Australia, and several were not even raised as children in Australia:

- Rev Bill Crewes
-Russell Crowe
-Margaret Fulton
-Jennie George
-Nicole Kidman
--Gai Waterhouse
-Robyn Williams
-Betty Archdale
-Don Dunstan
-Elizabeth Jolly
-John Farmham
-Sir Gustav Nossal
-Dr John Yu

The latter three were also named Australian of the Year.

Do we ignore the people's achievements simply because they happened to have been born or grew up somewhere else?

And not one of those clowns has a stand at the SCG named after them. Point proved.

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And not one of those clowns has a stand at the SCG named after them. Point proved.

You are quite correct.

Point proved that:

1. Having a Grandstand named after appears to be the ULTIMINATE recognition of honour and achievement, greater than being a National Treasurer or Australian of the Year, or anything else for that matter.

2. But, in bequesting such a ultimate recognition, (ie having a Grandstand named after you), we must not lose sight of the fact that it is still pre-1901. That is, what is important is not that you are an Australian, but you are, where applicable, a New South Welshman.

3. And, in being a New South Welshman, what is important is not that you have choosen to spend your adult life in the state and make extraordinary contributions to the community to that state, no no no: it's the state you were born and/or spend your childhood that is the decisive factor.

Congratuation to you ROK Lobster in winning this debate.

[ROK Lobster]

You are quite correct.

Point proved that:

1. Having a Grandstand named after appears to be the ULTIMINATE recognition of honour and achievement, greater than being a National Treasurer or Australian of the Year, or anything else for that matter.

2. But, in bequesting such a ultimate recognition, (ie having a Grandstand named after you), we must not lose sight of the fact that it is still pre-1901. That is, what is important is not that you are an Australian, but you are, where applicable, a New South Welshman.

3. And, in being a New South Welshman, what is important is not that you have choosen to spend your adult life in the state and make extraordinary contributions to the community to that state, no no no: it's the state you were born and/or spend your childhood that is the decisive factor.

Congratuation to you ROK Lobster in winning this debate.

Now that I pause and give it further consideration I can see your point. I think that the next SCG grandstand should be called the Elizabeth Jolly stand. I really loved The Well and think the the departed old dear should be recognised at the home ground of cricket in NSW... That would be the ULTIMINATE (is that really big or really small?) recognition. It would be tops to have a Patrick White pie stand too (provided they only stocked Villas and could provide sausage rolls).

[stellation]

Now that I pause and give it further consideration I can see your point. I think that the next SCG grandstand should be called the Elizabeth Jolly stand. I really loved The Well and think the the departed old dear should be recognised at the home ground of cricket in NSW... That would be the ULTIMINATE (is that really big or really small?) recognition. It would be tops to have a Patrick White pie stand too (provided they only stocked Villas and could provide sausage rolls).

They'll name a grandstand after Elizabeth Jolly before they bother stocking up on sausage rolls, the bastards!

[SwansFan1972]

They'll name a grandstand after Elizabeth Jolly before they bother stocking up on sausage rolls, the bastards!

... or sacking Villis as principal pie supplier ... they would have to be the worst pies going around. And they shouldn't have a stand named after them either, being South Australian too ...

[Primmy]

Why not just call it The Red Zone, and be done with it. That way I would be happy......and thats all that counts.

[top40]

Now that I pause and give it further consideration I can see your point. I think that the next SCG grandstand should be called the Elizabeth Jolly stand. I really loved The Well and think the the departed old dear should be recognised at the home ground of cricket in NSW... That would be the ULTIMINATE (is that really big or really small?) recognition. It would be tops to have a Patrick White pie stand too (provided they only stocked Villas and could provide sausage rolls).

Here, here!

Or maybe we could call it the "Elizabeth and Darren Jolly Stand", combining two great talents.

The "Patrick White pie Stand" could stand at Centential Park, where the Swans do their summer runs.

[ROK Lobster]

Here, here!

Or maybe we could call it the "Elizabeth and Darren Jolly Stand", combining two great talents.

The "Patrick White pie Stand" could stand at Centential Park, where the Swans do their summer runs.

Darren Jolly is not from New South Wales (and didn't even seem to like it).

[top40]

Darren Jolly is not from New South Wales (and didn't even seem to like it).

Actually ROK Lobster, Elizabeth Jolly was born in England and lived for most of her life in Western Australia, she never lived in New South Wales. Perhaps her Grandstand could go to Birmingham, UK because that's where she was born. All those 1000's of Warwickshire based Swans fans from the old Dart would celebrate big time!

[ROK Lobster]

Actually ROK Lobster, Elizabeth Jolly was born in England and lived for most of her life in Western Australia, she never lived in New South Wales. Perhaps her Grandstand could go to Birmingham, UK because that's where she was born. All those 1000's of Warwickshire based Swans fans from the old Dart would celebrate big time!

So now you don't want to recognise non-NSW born people at the SCG. Make up your mind!

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Elizabeth JollEy.

I do like the idea of the combination of sport and arts. So we should go ahead with the Jesse/Patrick White coffee cart, the Stefan/Peter Carey toilet block and the Brad/Alan Seymour behind post.

[top40]

So now you don't want to recognise non-NSW born people at the SCG. Make up your mind!

I'm just going with the flow mate.

[royboy42]

Here, here!

Or maybe we could call it the "Elizabeth and Darren Jolly Stand", combining two great talents.

The "Patrick White pie Stand" could stand at Centential Park, where the Swans do their summer runs.

Well, Patrick White did live in the shadow of the SCG ..within 200 metres..I bet the old curmudgeon never darkened its doors though. Still, a pie stand would let us dip our lids to the great Aussie novelist and Nobel Prize winner.

[Matty10]

... or sacking Villis as principal pie supplier ... they would have to be the worst pies going around. And they shouldn't have a stand named after them either, being South Australian too ...

I love Vili's pies - I am getting hungry now just thinking about eating one!

[Big Al]

I love Vili's pies - I am getting hungry now just thinking about eating one!

They're pretty good I agree. Can't remember when it was or even if it was the SCG or at a League ground but I used to love the Big Ben pies (you know the square ones). A nice hot one of those babies on a cold night was just the ticket.