Trading talk thread

[Melbournehammer]

You just dont get it do you - look at the bigger picture - are you happy with the way the team is travelling at the moment? no thought not!

actually to be honest i thought our last month to six weeks was pretty decent. And we seemed to have some decent young players coming through. And it reminded me a little of 1995 when we were pretty competitive often but for one bad quarter and which led into 1996 - or 2002 when we were pretty competitive but couldn't quite win - which led into 2003. Both (with the exception of 2005 only because we won it) were my favourite years because we played some breathtakingly good footy both seasons.

[lwjoyner]

See comments on Fev thread. No way for anything else than 14, and we must get something else from pies other than 14. Need a backman what about N brown as well. And anyway do we need another wife problem?

[SCOTTIE]

"So if we get Fev and he kicks a bag of goals for us you wont be applauding then?"

Sure I will. But I'll also be annoyed if he destroys the unity of the team, loses us a sponsor or means we have wasted a first round draft pick.

I can't recall a professional sporting team that appears to play for each other as much as the Swans. Having someone go against that with selfish bull@@@@@ can undermine that bringing the whole group down.

[Wardy]

I'm of the crazy school of thought that the swans should get the best players in we can. Brendan fits this bill.

Strange I know.

what were you thinking???

[CureTheSane]

You could guarantee that his contract would be so strict (almost over the top when Kirk and Roos are involved)

I sure as hell hope Kirk has nothing to do with Fev's or any other players contract!

[Wardy]

"So if we get Fev and he kicks a bag of goals for us you wont be applauding then?"

Sure I will. But I'll also be annoyed if he destroys the unity of the team, loses us a sponsor or means we have wasted a first round draft pick.

I can't recall a professional sporting team that appears to play for each other as much as the Swans. Having someone go against that with selfish bull@@@@@ can undermine that bringing the whole group down.

So you have condemned him already - excellent!

[Wardy]

I sure as hell hope Kirk has nothing to do with Fev's or any other players contract!

He's the head of the leadership group and is the Roos right hand man in the player group - he would have some input, no doubt about it.

[Captain]

No he won't, he will be 32 and well past his best.

He will be either 31 or 32. That is hardly past it, especially for a full forward.

To say we will be "pushing" for a flag isn't good enough. If we were to recruit Fev, we would have to KNOW that we will have a serious flag tilt before he retires. That's the only reason we would want to recruit a 29 year old. How sure are you that we will be a top 4 side again in 3 years?

Who can be sure of anything? How can anyone KNOW anything that will happen in the future? If you have this talent, can you please let me know tomorrow's Lotto numbers?

Try to understand that he will go along way to helping us push for a Top 4 spot and therefore give us a chance at the cup.

Fevola's best position is at FF, so is White's. Only one can play there, and obviously the coaches will go with Fev, meaning White will have to be played out of position. How is that not going to hinder his development?

How do you know this? Kruezer and Fev co-existed quite well in Carlton's forward line at times. Plenty of forward lines have 3 large forwards. Did you not like the Lions forward line of Lynch, Bradshaw and Brown??? Why can't White play CHF or a FP? For that matter why can't Fev? Surely having them both there would make it an extremely potent forward line + free up Goodes.

The best way for a player to develop is to play their natural position. You don't develop a small forward in the ruck, and you don't develop a FF at CHF. And if White did go to CHF, where does that leave Johnstone and Currie. To say Fevola won't hinder the development of youngers players is simply wrong.

Wrong on so many levels. Many ruckman start in a forward pocket first. Many midfielders start as small forwards or defenders.

Currie is a ruckman. Just because he is a strong mark and plays forward occasionally in the reserves, doesn't make him a career CHF. Before you have a go at others about playing people out of position, at least get your own facts right.

As for Johnstone, he has a long way to go in his development. Starting with recovering from a very serious injury, putting on muscle, playing a full season in the reserves then being introduced to the Seniors. Fevola won't affect this.

We won't be stacking the side with kids next year. We will still have Goodes, Kirk, ROK, both Bolton's, Mattner and Shaw in the side who are all 28 and over next year. We also have a few players in the 24-27 age bracket like LRT, Bevo, Seaby, Teddy and McVeigh. That's 12 players in our best 22 who are 24 or over. So how would we be stacking our side with kids if we don't recruit Fevola?

Never said we would. I just don't like the notion that it's all about draft picks. If Jolly goes we should use the pick on the for a player rather than the draft. I think the best player we could get is Fevola.

You should look at how weak your arguments are before you have a go at others. The only thing in your post which is even close to being true is that AA full forwards don't grow on trees.

I didn't have a go at anyone? I just stated that I think the arguments against are weak. Specifically regarding yours, I think they are more hysterical.

[ernie koala]

We just got rid of Hall , "because he was a risk"...supposedly.
For him, we got a paultry late 3rd round pick and are apparently also dropping down the list with another swap to be confirmed.
Why would we then replace Hall with another risky player, all be it more off field than on (though he does plenty of stupid selfish acts on the field also), and give up a first round pick in the process.
I'd much prefer to stick with the rebuilding of a youngish team, as we saw in the last 4 or 5 games.

[Big Al]

Now if only Fevola would find a club that has a track record in reforming so called bad eggs then all would be sweet.

[SCOTTIE]

So you have condemned him already - excellent!

Not condemning him, merely assessing the risks. This isn't a free trade it'll cost us a pick and/or player we'd otherwise rather keeep. Is it not correct to consider the pros and the cons of any trade? Surely the track record means the risks are huge?

[Industrial Fan]

Not sure how he would 'deliver us from evil'...didnt do much to stop the Blues collecting spoons.

As soon as the Blues look like they might do well - they want to turf him. It doesnt add up.

Dont mind if he comes for a rubbish pick, but I think we're sacrificing our future to bring him in. Much rather punt on a young player.

Agree with Scottie. I'd cheer his goals the same way I did with Baz, but I'll be cheesed off if he gets suspended, drops his bundle, etc. He's (in)famous for a few more things than kicking goals.

Better for the team short term to have Goodes in the mid, but better for Goodes long term to play up front. We've got enough senior players around too so no thanks to Fev.

Agree that its too early to place Johnston at CHF, but then he could pinch hit there when Goodes has a spell.

We'd be better off with Lake or just keeping a second 1st rounder.

[gumby_bolts]

SEN is reporting that Swans are offering Fev a four year deal. Using pick 14 that they hope to get for Jolly.

[Melbournehammer]

disappointed. if true.

[hammo]

I'm not usually one to fire off angry emails to the club but I will in this instance if true.

It's also galling that Roos has played the media like a cheap violin, going into trade week a) knowing Jolly wanted out and b) that we would be able and willing to trade for Fevola, yet giving totally contradictary and misleading statements in the lead up.