NAB AFL Pre-Season/Rookie Drafts

[707]

It's interesting how in discussions prior to the National Draft, most people were dismissive of late draft picks (60+) being of much value.

Now we're on the eve of the Rookie Draft, there is a bit of excitement as to who we may pick up.

To put that into perspective, 75 players were taken in the ND, another 7 will go in the PSD and we have our first pick in the Rookie Draft at 10, 26, 39. Those picks effectively become pick 92, 108, 121 in this year's pool.

There should be someone reasonable available at pick 10 (a player who could/should have gone in the ND) but after that it looks thin.

Of real interest will be Gold Coast's tactics with their five picks at the start of the Rookie Draft, will they load up on more kids or go for mature age players.

[DST]

It's interesting how in discussions prior to the National Draft, most people were dismissive of late draft picks (60+) being of much value.

Now we're on the eve of the Rookie Draft, there is a bit of excitement as to who we may pick up.

To put that into perspective, 75 players were taken in the ND, another 7 will go in the PSD and we have our first pick in the Rookie Draft at 10, 26, 39. Those picks effectively become pick 92, 108, 121 in this year's pool.

There should be someone reasonable available at pick 10 (a player who could/should have gone in the ND) but after that it looks thin.

Of real interest will be Gold Coast's tactics with their five picks at the start of the Rookie Draft, will they load up on more kids or go for mature age players.

There is a reason, no need to put these playes on gauranteed 2 year contracts at higher wages as opposed to a 1 year rookie deal on a smaller base.

Provides greater flexibility for the list going forward.

DST

[TheGong]

3 (current) + 8 (picks listed) = 11.

Standard rookie list is 8 nowadays, plus the last three are special extras.

Non-Irish count as extras, though didn't seem as if Pyke was ever classified as International from that point of view (and not sure if they are only allowed to be extra in their first year on the list).

LIz, fairly sure international rookies have to 23 and under. Mike Pyke would have been too old to be classed as an international rookie.

[BSA5]

There should be someone reasonable available at pick 10 (a player who could/should have gone in the ND) but after that it looks thin.

Don't forget, we can (and almost certainly will) preselect Dylan McNeil as a NSW player (assuming he's not picked up in the PSD), who looks a decent quality player and would probably go first or second round in the rookie draft otherwise. So we're getting decent quality there. McNeil plus a Grimes/Dare/Panos, and maybe Hooper if he lasts, would be a very good rookie draft already. Add in Gordon, who has been preselected as a NSW Scholarship player, and McKaigue, the Irishman, and that's a very decent boost to our talent ranks.

I think the apparent riches available in the rookie draft are a result of the poor draft pool, rather than despite it. The talent pool has been described not as wholly poor, but with a short peak which levels out quickly. So, there's a bigger difference between pick 15 and pick 5, but a smaller difference between pick 70 and pick 40, and an even smaller difference between rookie picks and the last of the ND picks.

[Red]

We get pick 4 of the PSD but what picks do we get after that ??

Gold Coast get the first five, then it's the usual order. We're number five so five to GC plus five means we get pick 10, 26, 42.

If GC have the 1st five PSD picks, what's to stop them swooping on Bradshaw?

[liz]

If GC have the 1st five PSD picks, what's to stop them swooping on Bradshaw?

They have the first 5 rookie picks, not PSD.

[The Big Cat]

Where are all these blokes going to play? If we have a good year with injuries then potentially we'll be looking to slot about 25 blokes into a reserves team where there are restrictions on how many listed players can play at any one time. Some blokes will be only playing every second week.

[707]

Where are all these blokes going to play? If we have a good year with injuries then potentially we'll be looking to slot about 25 blokes into a reserves team where there are restrictions on how many listed players can play at any one time. Some blokes will be only playing every second week.

Good point. Is it a maximum of 12 listed players that can play for the reserves?

Probably hasn't shown up in previous years because the injury list has been long but 22 in the AFL team (23 if they take a back up player) plus 12 = 34/35.

Say 38 on the list plus 8 rookies = 46 so you'd need to have 10+ players not available to play.

[liz]

Say 38 on the list plus 8 rookies = 46 so you'd need to have 10+ players not available to play.

If the club takes its full quota it will be 38 + 11.

Given the club struggled to have more than 10 or so players available for the reserves last year, I suspect that having a dozen or so "left over" players will be a problem they'll be happy to address.

I believe there is now provision for the excess Swans to be farmed out around the other ACTAFL clubs to ensure they get a game (and hopefully improve the competitiveness of the competition as a whole).

(BTW, the number of Swans allowed in the team is greater than 12. Ugg probably knows what the current rules are but there is one limit for the total in the team as a whole, and another limit on the number who can be on the ground at any one time.)

[eggbeater]

when excess reserve players are 'farmed' out to other teams, are they at a disadvantage in that if they have a blinder, they're not noticed as much and this may affect their chance to play seniors?

[robamiee]

on the AFL site Matt Burgan says we will likely take
10 - Sydney Swans - Jack Weston (Gippsland Power)
26 - Sydney Swans - Kallen Geary (Bendigo Pioneers)
39 - Sydney Swans - Henry Playfair (Sydney Swans)
63 - Sydney Swans - Chris McKaigue (County Derry, Ireland - international)
71 - Sydney Swans - Nathan Gordon (NSW/ACT Rams - NSW scholarship)
75 - Sydney Swans - Dylan McNeil (Murray Bushrangers - NSW pre-selection)
77 - Sydney Swans - Sam Crichton (Sydney Uni - NSW pre-selection)


yet he has Panos going to Carlton at pick 15...surely we would take Panos who was extremely unlucky not to be picked in the ND..

Anyone have any info on Weston and Geary

[707]

Jck Weston, Gippsland Power, 190cm, very quick, agile, great skills, played CHB, HBF, wing, kicked 25 goals in TAC Cup this year.

Kallen Geary, brother of the other two Geary's on AFL lists. 177cm, small defender or midfielder, B&F at Bendigo Pioneers 2008 & 2009.

Panos couldn't last until Carton at pick 15.

Remember, there's four live picks in th PSD, mostly kids you'd think, five picks to Gold Coast, probably 2-3 kids there, so that's 6-7 kids gone befre the Rookie draft proper.

You'd think Panos, Dare, Grimes, Hooper, Daw would go early

[707]

Just checked out Matt Burgan's Rookie Draft predictions. He has us as the only team to pass on a selection (pick 52). Why would we be passing and why are we the only team to pass a selection?

He has Ryan Davis (Sydney boy, ex Weagles rookie via NSW Scholarship, and he can play) going to the Weagles with pick 53. Why would we pass with pick 52 rather than bring him home and give him a try if he was still available

What does Burgan know that we don't?

[DST]

Just checked out Matt Burgan's Rookie Draft predictions. He has us as the only team to pass on a selection (pick 52). Why would we be passing and why are we the only team to pass a selection?

He has Ryan Davis (Sydney boy, ex Weagles rookie via NSW Scholarship, and he can play) going to the Weagles with pick 53. Why would we pass with pick 52 rather than bring him home and give him a try if he was still available

What does Burgan know that we don't?

As far as I know we can only use all three NSW pre-selection rookier picks if we are going to use all our live normal rookie picks.

The NSW rookier picks have to be submitted after the PSD and before the rookie draft, so the club has probably indicated to Matt that we are only going to use 2 NSW pre-selected rookies which precludes us from using the final live rookie pick we have.

Of couse this is all dependent on whether McNeil and Cricton get through the PSD.

DST

[liz]

As far as I know we can only use all three NSW pre-selection rookier picks if we are going to use all our live normal rookie picks.

What is your source for that explanation of the rules? It is not an intepretation I have ever heard before so am curious.