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  • aardvark
    Veterans List
    • Mar 2010
    • 5685

    Originally posted by waswan
    Pick 14 will be pick 16 at best with academy kids.....maybe lower with compensation
    They can bash that
    If Carlton are baulking at pick 13 and a player for 28yr old Gibbs, we can certainly do the same for 23yr old Mitchell for Pick 14.

    Something else has to be at Play here ???
    Richards (350K), Mcglynn (300K) retire, salary cap increases(1Mil), maybe a couple of others out the door in Towers(200K) and Nank(200K) and then Mitchell(400K) - That is over 2Mil
    We have to have money. Funny when we were chasing Tom Mcdonald a month ago with what food stamps ?
    We will need most of that to keep Mills and Heeney.......and Fyfe.

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    • waswan
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2015
      • 2047

      I get we need money for them but you still need to spend 95% of your salary cap, none of which can go to Mills or Heeney next year, only from 2018

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      • Cressakel2
        Pushing for Selection
        • May 2012
        • 62

        Originally posted by waswan
        Pick 14 will be pick 16 at best with academy kids.....maybe lower with compensation
        They can bash that
        If Carlton are baulking at pick 13 and a player for 28yr old Gibbs, we can certainly do the same for 23yr old Mitchell for Pick 14.

        Something else has to be at Play here ???
        Richards (350K), Mcglynn (300K) retire, salary cap increases(1Mil), maybe a couple of others out the door in Towers(200K) and Nank(200K) and then Mitchell(400K) - That is over 2Mil
        We have to have money. Funny when we were chasing Tom Mcdonald a month ago with what food stamps ?
        Minus the $600k COLA we lose next season...

        But I suspect Whorethorn's pick 14 and our pick 17 will be used for something big!

        Maybe throw in Tippett plus picks 14 & 17 and Freo kindly give the Swans a kid called Nat Fyfe. We offer Fyfe $4.5m over 5 years...


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        • bloodspirit
          Clubman
          • Apr 2015
          • 4448

          Originally posted by Doctor J.
          How in gods name does the club see Mitchell as only worth pick 14. Drafted with pick 21 wasn't he?. 5 Years in the system and is a proven elite midfielder. My faith in the recruiters has been blown away on the basis of this one trade if it is true.
          It's worse than that. I seem to recall he was touted as a top 10 draft pick and was actually bid on at around pick 8 (Norf maybe?) but we matched the bid under father-son rules and gave up pick 21. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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          • 0918330512
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2011
            • 1654

            Originally posted by Cressakel2
            Minus the $600k COLA we lose next season...

            But I suspect Whorethorn's pick 14 and our pick 17 will be used for something big!

            Maybe throw in Tippett plus picks 14 & 17 and Freo kindly give the Swans a kid called Nat Fyfe. We offer Fyfe $4.5m over 5 years...


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            Tippett, 14 & 17 for Fyfe?! Why not include Parker, Hanners & Towers to get the deal done.

            Tippett, 14 & 17 for Fyfe! have to rename "the silly season", the stupid season

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            • Captain
              Captain of the Side
              • Feb 2004
              • 3602

              Originally posted by 09183305
              Tippett, 14 & 17 for Fyfe?! Why not include Parker, Hanners & Towers to get the deal done.

              Tippett, 14 & 17 for Fyfe! have to rename "the silly season", the stupid season
              I'm confused? Are you saying it's a bad deal for who?

              IMO - We would be laughing to get Fyfe for Tippett and 14+17. Freo would never go for it.

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              • neilfws
                Senior Player
                • Aug 2009
                • 1818

                This thread is updating fast, maybe someone posted this story already and I missed it. If so mods, please delete.

                Tom Mitchell squeezed out of heavily loaded Sydney Swans salary cap

                Seems the media have no doubt where the difficulty lies in retaining Mitchell.

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                • Plugger46
                  Senior Player
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 3674

                  Originally posted by Captain
                  I'm confused? Are you saying it's a bad deal for who?

                  IMO - We would be laughing to get Fyfe for Tippett and 14+17. Freo would never go for it.
                  Yeah, that's the sort of steal that might have happened 20 years ago. Not now.
                  Bloods

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                  • dejavoodoo44
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 8490

                    Originally posted by Beerman
                    I wonder if the S. Mitchell to west coast move is partly driven by a desire to free up cap space.

                    Interesting that T Mitchell was asked about a move to St Kilda if they offered Swans a better deal and the money was comparable for him and he said "I don't see why not". So Hawthorn don't have all the leverage here - St Kilda pick before Hawthorn in the draft.

                    Also, I did LOL at the idea of Betts for Gibbs. You are a sick man dejavoodoo.
                    Thank you, I always take "sick man" as a compliment.
                    And it would be nice, if Mitchell ended up at St Kilda, rather than Hawthorn.

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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      If you look at our situation it becomes clear that we felt Mitchell was expendable. We needed to drop at least one star player from our list given we have 6 years left of big bucks for Buddy and another 2 for Tippett. Then we have Kennedy, Parker and Hanners on sizable contracts with guys like Heeney and Mills, who will also want big long term contracts. There are also plenty of others who will be on good money as well. We will probably want to extend Reid's contract if he comes through next year. Guys like Rampe, Smith, Jones, Rohan and Lloyd will all receive offers when they come out of contract. It's really hard to keep everyone. You have to let the ones go if you feel they can be covered by other players. Tom Mitchell and O'Meara ARE the future of the Hawthorn midfield. They really don't have any obvious stars once the current aging lot retire, while we have plenty of players who can step in and fill Tom's boots.

                      One possibility that would make sense is that we swap our second round pick for Freo's compo pick for Chris Mayne, which will go to Hawthorn for Brad Hill (#23 or 24). That would make the deal worth around a pick 8 or 9 net. I think that would be fair.

                      I think going into this draft with picks 14, 17 and 24 will get a good haul of quality players to add to our current list.

                      Maybe we keep Towers because we need players to trade out next year.
                      Last edited by Ludwig; 12 October 2016, 01:27 PM.

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                      • Melbournehammer
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2007
                        • 1815

                        I wish people would stop carrying on about fyfe.

                        We have a salary cap squeeze. and if what I have seen about buddy's contract is true then its going to get worse before it gets better. Plus we have tippett for two more years on reasonable dollars as well as sinclair who'll probably be balancing time in the ones with time in the neafl.

                        the idea that you can just use the new $1m on new players ignores the fact that every other club is gettin $1 m as well and they can make offers to your undervalued in the market place players.

                        its time to look at our list less in terms of who else is out there but how do we retain all of those we want to retain

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                        • bloodspirit
                          Clubman
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 4448

                          Not sure if this is the best place to ask but does anyone have any idea what sorts of things make up the 'performance indicators' that can trigger a contract extension? I'm sure it can vary from contract to contract but does anyone actually know (not just guessing) what sorts of conditions are ever in these contracts? Number of games selected? Finish place in B&F? I'm not sure what else is sufficiently objective and even these are things that could be easily manipulated by the coaching staff. The thing that made me think of it was reading that Tippett has triggered the 2 year extension in his 4 + 2 year contract. Given he has had a number of injuries along the way that have affected the number of games he has played and his form it made me think what does it depend on. And you hear about it with other players too e.g. apparently Bartel has triggered an option to extend his career at Geelong at least another year.
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                          • Doctor
                            Bay 29
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 2757

                            People also seem to be forgetting that we can trade for future picks. Why not Pick 14 plus their first or second round pick next year?
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                            • ugg
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15961

                              Because they'll probably need those future picks to trade for O'Meara
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                              • Doctor
                                Bay 29
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 2757

                                Doesn't stop us asking for them.
                                Today's a draft of your epitaph

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