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[Wardy]

ok you have no respect for kirk, roos and any other player that did their best in your eyes to oust poor little nick davis. I have read your comments plenty of times on here and i know where you stand. You dislike the people that brought in a great culture, because they ousted a lazy undisciplined player. I am not going to argue with you as we have opposite view points and basically i hope people like you move over to GWS.

I respect that Kirk can do what ever he likes with his life because its HIS LIFE AND HIS CHOICE!!! - not ours. Remove the blinkers, read the post properly and you will see that.

[KirkysSocks]

I respect that Kirk can do what ever he likes with his life because its HIS LIFE AND HIS CHOICE!!! - not ours. Remove the blinkers, read the post properly and you will see that.

I thought as swans fans we had the final say..who woulda..

I still stand by my point, kirk has so much to offer to the future kids of the club and can carry on the bloods legacy he has crreated onto them. What use would this culture be, if the spiritual leader, the one who insisted on bringing it to the club is at the other end of town. If i was a new recruit i wouldn't care about the principles of loyalty or blood ethos cause the guy who instigated it is over at the new mob.

I wouldnt say this of any other player and tbh i didn't really care much when it was announced that paul kelly was going to gws, didn't actually care tbh. Great player and all that but thats all he gave to the club, unlike brett kirk.

[Wardy]

I thought as swans fans we had the final say..who woulda..

I still stand by my point, kirk has so much to offer to the future kids of the club and can carry on the bloods legacy he has crreated onto them. What use would this culture be, if the spiritual leader, the one who insisted on bringing it to the club is at the other end of town. If i was a new recruit i wouldn't care about the principles of loyalty or blood ethos cause the guy who instigated it is over at the new mob.

I wouldnt say this of any other player and tbh i didn't really care much when it was announced that paul kelly was going to gws, didn't actually care tbh. Great player and all that but thats all he gave to the club, unlike brett kirk.

Look thats all well and good, and I understand your passion - but he is still going to make his decision based on whats best for he and his families future - it has nothing to do with us. So you can say until you are blue in the face that you dont want him to have anything to do with GWS and remain 100% loyal to the Swans - and you say that he should be shown respect. Well how about giving Kirk the same respect in return and acknowledge that he is extremely capable of making choices in life that are best for he and his family. If the Bloods culture is as good as you maintain, then it should survive with or without Kirk being at the club. I would have thought that ethos you so passionately defend would be a good thing to have at all clubs - or is it just singled out that GWS are to have none of that?

[KirkysSocks]

wow i am way to old school for this modern corporate world where loyalty and all that is yesterdays news and no one does it.

Nothing wrong at all in wanting to be the only club with the best culture where we attract decent people who want to play for us. Nothing wrong with that. It seems those in Sydney don't really mind that GWS rip out the heart and soul of the swans and ride on the back of all the hard work the swans have done in making in roads in Sydney.

[msb]

I think Robert Harvey proved there is no loyalty.....played with st.kilda for about 40 years then the very next year after retirement he is an assistant coach at carlton!

[Wardy]

wow i am way to old school for this modern corporate world where loyalty and all that is yesterdays news and no one does it.

Nothing wrong at all in wanting to be the only club with the best culture where we attract decent people who want to play for us. Nothing wrong with that. It seems those in Sydney don't really mind that GWS rip out the heart and soul of the swans and ride on the back of all the hard work the swans have done in making in roads in Sydney.

Get a grip - the world isnt going to end because of what Kirk or the Swans do or dont do - I'm no spring chicken either, but I am capable of seeing the bigger picture.

[KirkysSocks]

Get a grip - the world isnt going to end because of what Kirk or the Swans do or dont do - I'm no spring chicken either, but I am capable of seeing the bigger picture.

We are talking about football or a footy player on a footy website. If this was a society and culture forum where we are discussing kirky the humanitarian father and so what then yeah i agree, but we are not. So get some perspective and stop trying to yet again, be holier than thou.

[KirkysSocks]

I think Robert Harvey proved there is no loyalty.....played with st.kilda for about 40 years then the very next year after retirement he is an assistant coach at carlton!

Yeah But Robert Harvey was not responsble for creating a culutre, he was a loyal servant to the club as a footy player. Same as Paul Kelly.

[Wardy]

We are talking about football or a footy player on a footy website. If this was a society and culture forum where we are discussing kirky the humanitarian father and so what then yeah i agree, but we are not. So get some perspective and stop trying to yet again, be holier than thou.

You dont say - gee the way you are going on saying that Kirk is not to step foot into GWS territory is turning the matter into something of national importance - it not. Me holier than thou - geez thats a laugh!

[desredandwhite]

It seems those in Sydney don't really mind that GWS rip out the heart and soul of the swans and ride on the back of all the hard work the swans have done in making in roads in Sydney.

That's intepreting a lot more into what's been said here than there actually is, I think.

It'd be great to hang onto Kirky, IF he wants to stay involved. However, if he doesn't, then that's okay too. If he DOES want to stay involved, then the club will do what it can - however it may not have the positions available, and it may not have the funds available - AND it may not be able to offer the same sorts of opportunities that GWS or another club can. If he wants to hone his skills under a different structure, observing a different culture and team dynamic, as well as getting the opportunity to be involved in the start of a new club, that is his choice.

Loyalty might give you an edge where the offers are similar, but very often they are not.

[Wardy]

Yeah But Robert Harvey was not responsble for creating a culutre, he was a loyal servant to the club as a footy player. Same as Paul Kelly.

How do you know that he didnt - did you have the inner ear of all at St Kilda? Harvey was a quiet achiever.

[KirkysSocks]

You dont say - gee the way you are going on saying that Kirk is not to step foot into GWS territory is turning the matter into something of national importance - it not.

Nice going but that is not what i am doing. This is a swans website, about football. It might not be important to YOU, but it is to a lot of people. Just because footy to you is something that is irrelevant to others it is. Deal with it..like i am trying to deal with you love/hate relationship you have with the swans.

Me holier than thou - geez thats a laugh!

Well you are. Anyone who shows a bit of passion or dares to mention anything positive about kirk and roos you bring them down because you cannot handle it. I have read your comments on here plenty of times and have stopped myself from signing up to have a go at you.

Case in point when the Nick Davis was dropped. The stuff you and a few said about roos and kirk was short of disgraceful.

You are one fiesry woman wardy haha.

[KirkysSocks]

How do you know that he didnt - did you have the inner ear of all at St Kilda? Harvey was a quiet achiever.

umm i think being in Melbourne i am exposed to a lot more footy news about other clubs through the constant reporting of footy issues in the Melbourne media. Harvey was a great servant to the club and sure he lead by example through his training and the way he played but he did not instil the same kind of culture that kirky did. And you answered your own question anyway but saying he was a quiet achiever.

Robert Harvey was what Paul Kelly was at the swans.

[KirkysSocks]

That's intepreting a lot more into what's been said here than there actually is, I think.

It'd be great to hang onto Kirky, IF he wants to stay involved. However, if he doesn't, then that's okay too. If he DOES want to stay involved, then the club will do what it can - however it may not have the positions available, and it may not have the funds available - AND it may not be able to offer the same sorts of opportunities that GWS or another club can. If he wants to hone his skills under a different structure, observing a different culture and team dynamic, as well as getting the opportunity to be involved in the start of a new club, that is his choice.

Loyalty might give you an edge where the offers are similar, but very often they are not.

why would anyone who helped create a culture want to go anywhere else straight after? I know if i loved a work environment or the collective i was around i sure would not get up and go elsewhere unless there were major factors in play which forced me to go elsewhere. This whole way of thinking that loyalty is dead stems from corporate culture where anyone and anything is just dispensable and can be bought.

Paul Roos and Fitzroy was a perfect example. He stayed put as much as he could until there was no future at the roys, so he left. I am 110% sure had the roys been around and were not a shambles Roosy would be coaching a fitzroy side atm.

[Wardy]

Nice going but that is not what i am doing. This is a swans website, about football. It might not be important to YOU, but it is to a lot of people. Just because footy to you is something that is irrelevant to others it is. Deal with it..like i am trying to deal with you love/hate relationship you have with the swans.

Where have I said that I hate the Swans - if I did then why am I a paid up member???



Well you are. Anyone who shows a bit of passion or dares to mention anything positive about kirk and roos you bring them down because you cannot handle it. I have read your comments on here plenty of times and have stopped myself from signing up to have a go at you.

And then if someone disagrees with you - you go at them too - but I am at least showing Kirk the respect that I know he is capable of making decisions in life that are right for him - you simply wont entertain the idea that he may go elsewhere, even though its his choice..

Case in point when the Nick Davis was dropped. The stuff you and a few said about Roos and Kirk was short of disgraceful.

If you think it was then it must be -

Yeah I disagreed with it & that is my perogative, I dont have to agree with everything the club does, yet I still pay my fees and turn up so to say I hate the club is incorrect. If you beleive everything they do is right - then that is your perogative too



You are one fiesry woman wardy haha.

And the problem with that is? Am I supposed to be one of those women who sits back and says "yes dear, what ever you say dear" yeah right thats going to happen.