Changes V Hawthorn

[hammo]

Just have to laugh at those you think Pyke offers us anything around the ground. For @@@@s sake Playfair is useless so what does that make Mike?

Hawks by 6 goals and the coaches can wear it.

[Velour&Ruffles]

Just have to laugh at those you think Pyke offers us anything around the ground. For @@@@s sake Playfair is useless so what does that make Mike?
Hawks by 6 goals and the coaches can wear it.

Huh? Why is Pyke vs Playfair the relevant comparison here?

I'm far more inyterested in Pyke vs the Dawks second string ruckman, being Wayde Skipper at the moment. Given how he went against Sandilands, I'm happy to give the Big Canuck a go against Skipper.

And I'm ecstatic at the prospect of Mumford against Renouf to go with it. Renouf = steaming fecal matter.

[Peace]

Just have to laugh at those you think Pyke offers us anything around the ground. For @@@@s sake Playfair is useless so what does that make Mike?

Hawks by 6 goals and the coaches can wear it.

yeah!!! screw playfair! he is rubbish!

[Bleed Red Blood]

Huh? Why is Pyke vs Playfair the relevant comparison here?

I'm far more inyterested in Pyke vs the Dawks second string ruckman, being Wayde Skipper at the moment. Given how he went against Sandilands, I'm happy to give the Big Canuck a go against Skipper.

And I'm ecstatic at the prospect of Mumford against Renouf to go with it. Renouf = steaming fecal matter.

Skipper's a 90's gen second stringer, only KP size. I hope Pyke learns in this game what he can do with his size in a mismatch like this.

Renouf I think is doing a tremendous job given his age/being the only fit ruckman.

Re: Playfair, against the Dogs he seemed to be playing ROK's old role, a shame he lacks the creativity of his incumbant and is therefore fairly redundant: From what I've seen the problem isn't getting the ball into the 50, it's having someone who can then kick it through the sticks. We also lack someone who consistantly takes big marks up forward, Goodes does but only sporadically and not exactly pack splitting, I think this is a reason the midfield lack confidence just bombing long. Hopefully Mumford develops that part of his game to start kicking the 15 odd goals we lost when Jols packed up. Big Jesse does have the propencity, too, I suppose. But it just isn't happening for him right now.

I still say Malkeski should be on a forward flank, harder to release him from the back atm with Kennelly out but I think it should be looked at long term. Think Andrew Embley. Also, as much as Jude has improved his goal kicking of late since his attacking ability is centred on his ability to lead well more so than sharking off a contest, but unless he starts them from the goal square by the time he's delivered the ball he is out of range.

[Primmy]

The fact that Mal doesn't like being anywhere else but the back, and knows his rythm (can't spell the blighter!) from that point, I would say its not a replacing that would be considered.
Jude has always had surprise goals up his sleeve....right throughout his career, he even hugged Plugger after a memorable scramble.....but he is a centre player, not a forward player. He just magics a goal or so when all the stars align.

Agree Mike has to not be hamstrung by his size; he is a bit of a big unit, but he was being constantly pinged by the amateur umps in the ressies for using his size, so he just started to drop off. With another seniors game, more confidence in the role he is asked to play, perhaps we will see him use his size this round. I like him; he is not a great player, he looks awkward, but he is not the only big player to do so, and he is willing, he has learned a massive amount, and more importantly he is there.....much rather have Pyke than say...noone.

[Bas]

The fact that Mal doesn't like being anywhere else but the back, and knows his rythm (can't spell the blighter!) from that point, I would say its not a replacing that would be considered.
Jude has always had surprise goals up his sleeve....right throughout his career, he even hugged Plugger after a memorable scramble.....but he is a centre player, not a forward player. He just magics a goal or so when all the stars align.

Agree Mike has to not be hamstrung by his size; he is a bit of a big unit, but he was being constantly pinged by the amateur umps in the ressies for using his size, so he just started to drop off. With another seniors game, more confidence in the role he is asked to play, perhaps we will see him use his size this round. I like him; he is not a great player, he looks awkward, but he is not the only big player to doo, and he is willing, he has learned a massive amount, and more importantly he is there.....much rather have Pyke than say...noone.

Primmy you're not saying that size matters are you?

Rhythm has an "H" in it so it's spelt ryhthm.

[dimelb]

Skipper's a 90's gen second stringer, only KP size. I hope Pyke learns in this game what he can do with his size in a mismatch like this.

Renouf I think is doing a tremendous job given his age/being the only fit ruckman.

Re: Playfair, against the Dogs he seemed to be playing ROK's old role, a shame he lacks the creativity of his incumbant and is therefore fairly redundant: From what I've seen the problem isn't getting the ball into the 50, it's having someone who can then kick it through the sticks. We also lack someone who consistantly takes big marks up forward, Goodes does but only sporadically and not exactly pack splitting, I think this is a reason the midfield lack confidence just bombing long. Hopefully Mumford develops that part of his game to start kicking the 15 odd goals we lost when Jols packed up. Big Jesse does have the propencity, too, I suppose. But it just isn't happening for him right now.
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I agree with much of this. The annoying and frustrating thing is that in the first few matches, the ball was coming into the F50 accurately and quickly. I realise that happens partly because weaker teams allow you to do it and stronger teams don't; the point is that we can do it with a bit of opportunity. I hope we see a bit more of it tomorrow.

[liz]

Primmy you're not saying that size matters are you?

Rhythm has an "H" in it so it's spelt ryhthm.

Or even "rhythm"

[Primmy]

Primmy you're not saying that size matters are you?

Rhythm has an "H" in it so it's spelt ryhthm.

possibly....!

[ernie koala]

"one wonders why both Playfair and Pyke are playing?"

Here's why.

Nobody has done appreciably better against the leviathin Sandilands this year than the Big Canuck did last week. It was a really good performance. From a guy who has played 10 (or 8 or 11 or whatever the hell it is) games of league footy in his life it was a blinder.
And big Henry has been an OK target in the last 2 weeks. Not sensational. Not even great. But certainly of league standard and until we have a better option (which we don't seem to have at the moment) I'm happy to go with him. He gives it his all and that's all anyone yan ask.

To quote someone on this site: I like Pyke.
And I reckon Henry is tolerable too.

Are you in politics? How about addressing my coments in context..."GIVEN THE SELECTION OF WHITE, one wonders why both Playfair and Pyke are playing, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE WET WEATHER EXPECTED."
My post had nothing to do with bagging Playfair or Pyke....Infact I've never bagged Pyke, he is in the infancy of learning the game, and may one day be a useful player. He competes well in and around the ruck contests, but so far has offered little around the ground. Playfair on the other hand, I've bagged his selection many times, because he's a plodder who is tall, he has no physical presence, he's slow and has no upside from what I've seen of him over the years. Playing both these guys on a slippery MCG, when we already have Mumford , White, Goodes, LRT in the side, seems like one too many tall, especially given what they offer. One could argue for either, as back up ruckman for tomorrow, but IMO we certainly don't need both.

[Bas]

Or even "rhythm"

Uneven rhythm is always better

[Velour&Ruffles]

Are you in politics? How about addressing my coments in context..."GIVEN THE SELECTION OF WHITE, one wonders why both Playfair and Pyke are playing, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE WET WEATHER EXPECTED."
My post had nothing to do with bagging Playfair or Pyke....Infact I've never bagged Pyke, he is in the infancy of learning the game, and may one day be a useful player. He competes well in and around the ruck contests, but so far has offered little around the ground. Playfair on the other hand, I've bagged his selection many times, because he's a plodder who is tall, he has no physical presence, he's slow and has no upside from what I've seen of him over the years. Playing both these guys on a slippery MCG, when we already have Mumford , White, Goodes, LRT in the side, seems like one too many tall, especially given what they offer. One could argue for either, as back up ruckman for tomorrow, but IMO we certainly don't need both.

I'm convinced.

[Nich]

Looking like Richmond could upset Port! The Dogs lost to the Dees. Massive game for us tomorrow. If we don't capitalise on these two (possibly) teams slipping up it will be a real shot in the foot! C'mon boys!!

[Bas]

Looking like Richmond could upset Port! The Dogs lost to the Dees. Massive game for us tomorrow. If we don't capitalise on these two (possibly) teams slipping up it will be a real shot in the foot! C'mon boys!!

Should know from Swans history, whenever it is a massive game, they always fall short.

Dogs lost to Bombers you mean.

[Bloody Hell]

Stupid stuff IMO. We have taken in one tall too many, and I bet Hawthorn will run us off our legs now.

I just don't think Pyke brings much to the table. It's all good and well that he has improved and rah rah rah but the reality is that atm he isn't up to the standard of an AFL ruckman. Modern day ruckmen need to contribute around the ground.

I agree with Nico. TDL is very stiff. I can't comprehend how we can leave him out when we are struggling to kick a score, mind boggling stuff.

Pyke has morphed into a good backup ruckman. His efforts against Sandilands were outstanding.

He still has alot of upside and the best way to draw it out of him at this stage is to play in the one's. When Seaby returns we won't see him much - unless he is pushed into a KPD.

Has taken a few sterling contested marks as well.