Folou better kick than Shaw

[1%ers]

I think after 6 months of training & development the Blacktown recruit will be a more accurate long kick than Ryce Shaw. For long kicks Shaw must be in contention for the AFL turn over king with the Tiges Tuck, and Cats Wojinski

[Lucky Knickers]

Can we lock it down and put it in the time capsule?

[BSA5]

If you're going to bag Shaw, at least get it right. It isn't his long kicks that are bad, they are usually well weighted, well directed and clever. It's his short kicks that tend to miss the target. He also doesn't turn it over nearly as often as people think. A kicking efficiency of 78% (not that that is the be-all and end-all) and a non-free-kick clanger (NFKC) count of 14 (when talking about kicking skills, you have to take out clangers counted as free kicks such as in the back, etc), despite leading the club for kicks with 145, is quite impressive. That's one every 10.35 kicks. Compare that to:

Goodes - 23 NFKCs, 126 kicks, 1 clanger every 5.5 kicks.
Jack - 16 NFKCs, 123 kicks, 1 clanger every 7.7 kicks.
McVeigh - 15 NFKCs, 122 kicks, 1 clanger every 8.1 kicks.
Hannebery - 9 NFKCs, 82 kicks, 1 clanger every 9.1 kicks.
Malceski - 15 NFKCs, 144 kicks, 1 clanger every 9.6 kicks.

I'm sure I could go on. There is a bias against Shaw, probably carried over from his time at Collingwood. He did make a couple of bad blues on the weekend kicking out, but it was nothing to do with kicking ability. He was trying to create run, bit off more than he could chew, and put pressure on himself. Occasionally he does that. He's forgiven, though, because he gives us so much the rest of the time.

[sharp9]

I'm not sure if bias is the best word...from my point of view it is the fact that he makes clangers AFTER making a stupid decision...that's what kills me. As someone said it's the times he does dumb short cute kicks that miss that make me wish he had been retired after his last Collingwood game...I remember watching that and the 3 or 4 absolutely appalling errors that cost goals and lost Collingwood a fina agaisnt Adelaidel...."I reckon that bloke will never, ever play for Collingwood again" Was extremely surprised that we picked him up. I never realised he had so much upside....trouble is he just can't stop doing the shocking turnovers and mouthing off when things don't go his way. Sheesh, I dunno what we should do.

Wish I could wave a magic wand and have every Sydney player only play his up side.

[BSA5]

I'm not sure if bias is the best word...from my point of view it is the fact that he makes clangers AFTER making a stupid decision...that's what kills me. As someone said it's the times he does dumb short cute kicks that miss that make me wish he had been retired after his last Collingwood game...I remember watching that and the 3 or 4 absolutely appalling errors that cost goals and lost Collingwood a fina agaisnt Adelaidel...."I reckon that bloke will never, ever play for Collingwood again" Was extremely surprised that we picked him up. I never realised he had so much upside....trouble is he just can't stop doing the shocking turnovers and mouthing off when things don't go his way. Sheesh, I dunno what we should do.

Wish I could wave a magic wand and have every Sydney player only play his up side.

You have to take the good with the bad though. Shaw provides MUCH more good than bad, and his bad isn't even that obvious. It's more like people expect him to screw up, and so when he does, everybody says "Haha, told you so!", when he actually does it relatively rarely for somebody who gets his amount of possession. LRT used to suffer the same fate (and still does with some people).

[dimelb]

I don't know Folou (French actor?) but Shaw has been much more plus than minus. Pity he missed that kick, but plenty of people who are noted kicks did as much, or worse.

[Jewels]

If you're going to bag Shaw, at least get it right. It isn't his long kicks that are bad, they are usually well weighted, well directed and clever. It's his short kicks that tend to miss the target. He also doesn't turn it over nearly as often as people think. A kicking efficiency of 78% (not that that is the be-all and end-all) and a non-free-kick clanger (NFKC) count of 14 (when talking about kicking skills, you have to take out clangers counted as free kicks such as in the back, etc), despite leading the club for kicks with 145, is quite impressive. That's one every 10.35 kicks. Compare that to:

Goodes - 23 NFKCs, 126 kicks, 1 clanger every 5.5 kicks.
Jack - 16 NFKCs, 123 kicks, 1 clanger every 7.7 kicks.
McVeigh - 15 NFKCs, 122 kicks, 1 clanger every 8.1 kicks.
Hannebery - 9 NFKCs, 82 kicks, 1 clanger every 9.1 kicks.
Malceski - 15 NFKCs, 144 kicks, 1 clanger every 9.6 kicks.

I'm sure I could go on. There is a bias against Shaw, probably carried over from his time at Collingwood. He did make a couple of bad blues on the weekend kicking out, but it was nothing to do with kicking ability. He was trying to create run, bit off more than he could chew, and put pressure on himself. Occasionally he does that. He's forgiven, though, because he gives us so much the rest of the time.

Our kick ins are the most frustrating part of our game and whilst I hate being negative, I don't think Roosy ever adapted to the quick kick in rule when it came in.
There are so many DAMN experts on this site who have to have someone to blame every time we lose, this week it's Shaw - "So surprised we picked him up", "He lost Collingwood a final", "He gave the game to the hawks" etc, etc, if that bloody kick had sailed through he'd be the freaking hero!
Just accept that we lost the DAMN game and get on with it. The negativity and plain old nastiness toward our players on this site is just plain dreadful.

You have to take the good with the bad though. Shaw provides MUCH more good than bad, and his bad isn't even that obvious. It's more like people expect him to screw up, and so when he does, everybody says "Haha, told you so!", when he actually does it relatively rarely for somebody who gets his amount of possession. LRT used to suffer the same fate (and still does with some people).

[BeeEmmAre]

Our kick ins are the most frustrating part of our game and whilst I hate being negative, I don't think Roosy ever adapted to the quick kick in rule when it came in.
There are so many DAMN experts on this site who have to have someone to blame every time we lose, this week it's Shaw - "So surprised we picked him up", "He lost Collingwood a final", "He gave the game to the hawks" etc, etc, if that bloody kick had sailed through he'd be the freaking hero!
Just accept that we lost the DAMN game and get on with it. The negativity and plain old nastiness toward our players on this site is just plain dreadful.

Absolutely BINGO Jewels. I feel like I'm reading a Richmond board most of the time.
By all means, if criticism is due, give it, but detail your reasons for it instead of just out and out sledging of a player (drop X and make sure he never plays again), or a selection, or a coaching style or whatever. And if you're proven wrong, accept it instead of still trying to justify what you said, which is like being at the bottom of a hole and digging deeper.
When we beat Essendon this week, most of the baggers and naysayers here (how many declared our season over on the match thread when the Hawks were 16 points up in the last quarter?) will be talking about how we're back on track and how they never lost faith.

There are a large number of people on here, like me, who have been supporters for a long time and lived and supported the Swans through the dark ages of the early 90s (and early 80s for some) and we kept the faith and stayed positive. What we're getting now has been a bloody good ride for nearly 15 years and it's a ride that is likely to continue a fair bit longer.

Rant over, I'll go back to reading quietly and swearing under my breath at the negativity on here.

[Big Al]

Our kick ins are the most frustrating part of our game and whilst I hate being negative, I don't think Roosy ever adapted to the quick kick in rule when it came in.
There are so many DAMN experts on this site who have to have someone to blame every time we lose, this week it's Shaw - "So surprised we picked him up", "He lost Collingwood a final", "He gave the game to the hawks" etc, etc, if that bloody kick had sailed through he'd be the freaking hero!
Just accept that we lost the DAMN game and get on with it. The negativity and plain old nastiness toward our players on this site is just plain dreadful.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Primmy]

Couldn't have said it better.

Whoohoo, go Jewels!!

[sharp9]

Absolutely BINGO Jewels. I feel like I'm reading a Richmond board most of the time.
By all means, if criticism is due, give it, but detail your reasons for it instead of just out and out sledging of a player (drop X and make sure he never plays again), or a selection, or a coaching style or whatever. And if you're proven wrong, accept it instead of still trying to justify what you said, which is like being at the bottom of a hole and digging deeper.
When we beat Essendon this week, most of the baggers and naysayers here (how many declared our season over on the match thread when the Hawks were 16 points up in the last quarter?) will be talking about how we're back on track and how they never lost faith.

There are a large number of people on here, like me, who have been supporters for a long time and lived and supported the Swans through the dark ages of the early 90s (and early 80s for some) and we kept the faith and stayed positive. What we're getting now has been a bloody good ride for nearly 15 years and it's a ride that is likely to continue a fair bit longer.

Rant over, I'll go back to reading quietly and swearing under my breath at the negativity on here.

....but the season was over when we were down by 16 points against the Hawks...if you can't handle the truth.....some people get upset when our team plays below its best....guilty.

[BeeEmmAre]

I can handle the truth Sharpy, don't worry about that, and don't think I didn't get upset or disappointed about how we're going right now. I've been in England for a month and we haven't won since I left.
The truth is, at the time we were still 5-4 and but for one straighter kick we would be 6-4. Even at 5-5 it's hardly panic stations. If we get to 5-9 or 6-10 or something like that, then people can start considering the season might be over. At 5-5 we're still in the 8 and if that's season over, we might as well all pack up right now and hand another Cup to Geelong.

[Chilcott]

Absolutely BINGO Jewels. I feel like I'm reading a Richmond board most of the time.
By all means, if criticism is due, give it, but detail your reasons for it instead of just out and out sledging of a player (drop X and make sure he never plays again), or a selection, or a coaching style or whatever. And if you're proven wrong, accept it instead of still trying to justify what you said, which is like being at the bottom of a hole and digging deeper.
When we beat Essendon this week, most of the baggers and naysayers here (how many declared our season over on the match thread when the Hawks were 16 points up in the last quarter?) will be talking about how we're back on track and how they never lost faith.

There are a large number of people on here, like me, who have been supporters for a long time and lived and supported the Swans through the dark ages of the early 90s (and early 80s for some) and we kept the faith and stayed positive. What we're getting now has been a bloody good ride for nearly 15 years and it's a ride that is likely to continue a fair bit longer.

Rant over, I'll go back to reading quietly and swearing under my breath at the negativity on here.

It wouldn't be wrong to say that 99.99% of people who post on RWO love the club, the jumper and the players. Most would wear their heart on their sleeve and do easily get frustrated with poor performance.

As a result of the poor performance, some posts criticise that performance articulately and other posts are not articulated that well. But in the end, it really doesn't matter. I wouldn't get too worried about the criticisms the players receive on this forum. I'm sure some of the criticism's the players would receive from the coaching staff would be more direct.

[Dalai Lama]

Monkey Mis-fire

The Rhesus Monkey runs into the open goal to seal the game - and sprays it horribly ........!

[Mr Magoo]

I love how we have these threads bagging someone who has played the game for many many years and their kicking accuracy. What you seem to be forgetting is they are doing this in a game that is being played at extremely high pace and with little space or time to execute. If you went to the park and did a kick to kick with shaw, kirk or any of these guys I can guarantee they would hit you on the chest every time.

Now Folau is another matter. If he has a pure rugby league background then I can guarantee that his kicking skills are probably atrocious. Having played Aussie rules , soccer and both rugby codes growing up, the worst foot skills were always ruugby league players and they are never taught how to kick. Due to the greater amount of kicking required , rugby union players normally are taught to kick from a young age but my experience in playing rugby league is that little time is spent on foot skills work. I would be very interested to see his real progress and would be amazed if he is a profficient AFL level kick in less than three years.