LJ ready for senior selection.

**Hartijon** · 10 June 2010, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood

Here Here!

TDL played in the WAFL last year,a much superior competition to the Canberra League,kicked 60 + goals . For some reason that I don't understand, some posters here seem to think he has to prove himself in the Canberra League before he gets selected in the Seniors. Why? Its a pretty crap standard and he has already proven himself in a much better League! The point is however,playing in a better League has not helped him gain selection.

**Big Al** · 10 June 2010, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Hartijon

TDL played in the WAFL last year,a much superior competition to the Canberra League,kicked 60 + goals . For some reason that I don't understand, some posters here seem to think he has to prove himself in the Canberra League before he gets selected in the Seniors. Why? Its a pretty crap standard and he has already proven himself in a much better League! The point is however,playing in a better League has not helped him gain selection.

I find it amazing that people think that all one has to get selected is to play well in the magoos. Sure that's part of it but there is so much more that has to be considered. Is the player mentally ready for the step up to Senior footbal? This would incorporate everything from confidence levels to general attitude. Is the player physically ready? Is he carrying an injury?. Once those factors are looked at you have to look at the balance of the side and who your playing.

The only people to know these things are the coaching staff and while I would love to see LJ and TDL play in the seniors I trust the coaching staff to know when they are ready to play. I would hate for them to play when not ready and have their developement put back.

**liz** · 10 June 2010, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Big Al

I find it amazing that people think that all one has to get selected is to play well in the magoos. Sure that's part of it but there is so much more that has to be considered. Is the player mentally ready for the step up to Senior football which incorporates everything from confidence levels to general attitude. Is the player physically ready, is he carrying an injury. Once those factors are looked at you have to look at the balance of the side and who your playing.

The only people to know these things are the coaching staff and while I would love to see LJ and TDL play in the seniors but I trust the coaching staff to know when they are ready to play. I would hate for them to play when not ready and have their developement put back.

Not to mention "whose spot in the current team are they going to take?"

**ernie koala** · 10 June 2010, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by liz

Not to mention "whose spot in the current team are they going to take?"

I do in general terms agree with what Big Al posted here..But on the question you pose Liz...
I'll have a crack..............Playfair and Bevo

**caj23** · 10 June 2010, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Brettb

It may have gone wrong in the past, but it has certainly gone right too on many occasions.

For every Jack Watts, there is a Michael Hurley or Matthew Kreuzer who it worked a dream for. In fact a better example might be Justin Westhoff, who exceled in his first year, as a skinny kid.

That's taking a very short term view. It will be interesting to see how Kruezer (in particular) and Hurley's bodies are holding up later in their career. Josh Fraser is a prime example of a big bloke playing seniors too early, his body is shot at the ripe old age of 28

**caj23** · 10 June 2010, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Hartijon

TDL played in the WAFL last year,a much superior competition to the Canberra League,kicked 60 + goals . For some reason that I don't understand, some posters here seem to think he has to prove himself in the Canberra League before he gets selected in the Seniors. Why? Its a pretty crap standard and he has already proven himself in a much better League! The point is however,playing in a better League has not helped him gain selection.

TDL missed a chunk of football earlier in the season, had he not injured himself at an inopportune time he might have made his debut by now.

I dont understand what all of this wrist slitting is about, LJ, TDL will get their debut in due course

**Hartijon** · 10 June 2010, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Big Al

I find it amazing that people think that all one has to get selected is to play well in the magoos. Sure that's part of it but there is so much more that has to be considered. Is the player mentally ready for the step up to Senior footbal? This would incorporate everything from confidence levels to general attitude. Is the player physically ready? Is he carrying an injury?. Once those factors are looked at you have to look at the balance of the side and who your playing.

The only people to know these things are the coaching staff and while I would love to see LJ and TDL play in the seniors I trust the coaching staff to know when they are ready to play. I would hate for them to play when not ready and have their developement put back.

So if we take your position and just "trust the coaching staff to know when they are ready to play" there is no point having this thread or this conversation or any other chat about selection. Coaches know best! Thats it!
Unfortunately,I have been around enough clubs to know you are SO WRONG about this! Favouritism,nepotism, cronyism all flourish in a football club and I am sure the Swans are no exception. Some players are disliked ,some are sycophants, some don't get on with the leadership group.There are many many more reasons than your simplistic one and although your perfect world would be a nice one to live in,it doesn't exist.

**Peace** · 10 June 2010, 02:18 PM

TDL should get a game well before LJ does.

**Peace** · 10 June 2010, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Hartijon

So if we take your position and just "trust the coaching staff to know when they are ready to play" there is no point having this thread or this conversation or any other chat about selection. Coaches know best! Thats it!
Unfortunately,I have been around enough clubs to know you are SO WRONG about this! Favouritism,nepotism, cronyism all flourish in a football club and I am sure the Swans are no exception. Some players are disliked ,some are sycophants, some don't get on with the leadership group.There are many many more reasons than your simplistic one and although your perfect world would be a nice one to live in,it doesn't exist.

nice assumption there buddy.

the swans coahing and players group are definitely NOT like all the other clubs because of Paul Roos and Brett Kirk and hopefully it stays that way after they depart.

**Big Al** · 10 June 2010, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Hartijon

So if we take your position and just "trust the coaching staff to know when they are ready to play" there is no point having this thread or this conversation or any other chat about selection. Coaches know best! Thats it!
Unfortunately,I have been around enough clubs to know you are SO WRONG about this! Favouritism,nepotism, cronyism all flourish in a football club and I am sure the Swans are no exception. Some players are disliked ,some are sycophants, some don't get on with the leadership group.There are many many more reasons than your simplistic one and although your perfect world would be a nice one to live in,it doesn't exist.

Funny how you term my view simplistic when all your basing on whether a player is ready or not is their form in a grade you even yourself say isn't very good. What a shame your world view is so skewed that every time a player you view to be ready doesn't play must be victim of what you list above.

**Bloods05** · 10 June 2010, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood

Here Here!

Where where?

**Melbourne_Blood** · 10 June 2010, 02:39 PM

I dont really agree that these things exist in all clubs, but i do sometimes get the feeling the selection panel tend to favour our experienced campaigners, even if their form doesn't warrant it eg. Ted, Bevo, Playfair. This must be hard to swallow for the guys in the ressies putting in good performances conistently, watching these hacks get games because of their exploits in our glory days. Sometimes i think we are a little to loyal for own good.

**Melbourne_Blood** · 10 June 2010, 02:41 PM

Preferably the VFL!

**Big Al** · 10 June 2010, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood

I dont really agree that these things exist in all clubs, but i do sometimes get the feeling the selection panel tend to favour our experienced campaigners, even if their form doesn't warrant it eg. Ted, Bevo, Playfair. This must be hard to swallow for the guys in the ressies putting in good performances conistently, watching these hacks get games because of their exploits in our glory days. Sometimes i think we are a little to loyal for own good.

Is that really happening though. Ted was dropped, Playfair won't last once we get Bradshaw back and Bevo was in and out the side last year. It comes down whether there is a player that is ready to step in and will they add more than the replacement. I have no drama with opiniions on selections(I would love to see Vez get a run) but we have to concede that we are basing all these opinions without the full picture.

**Melbourne_Blood** · 10 June 2010, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Big Al

Is that really happening though. Ted was dropped, Playfair won't last once we get Bradshaw back and Bevo was in and out the side last year. It comes down whether there is a player that is ready to step in and will they add more than the replacement. I have no drama with opiniions on selections(I would love to see Vez get a run) but we have to concede that we are basing all these opinions without the full picture.

Probably not lol. But it just seems that way sometimes. Like you said we don't have the full picture so our scheming little minds have to full in the blanks somehow

LJ ready for senior selection.

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